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Or has your extreme dislike for this series clouded your memory?
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2013-03-05, 21:26 | Link #2684 |
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But I didn’t change how they meet. They first see each other as opponents and the people who they have to fight. Their interaction can fall in the same level as the tournament rather easy and fit the wholes if I was going with change just this detail. I can pretty much do the same with the others and not affect the overall conclusion: nothing really matters but that this new people are around now. You can’t really say I change story when there is none or that I make characters different when characterization is so basic and generic as it’s here. Their relationships are friendly and polite that will happen even if they didn’t fight at all because they are all good little girls.
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2013-03-05, 21:34 | Link #2685 |
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That's exactly what you did. Einhart and Sieglinde meeting one another in a tournament match results in a different development than what your example was, which is essentially Einhart committing an attempted assault on an innocent bystander.
Sure... if you completely ignore characterization of the characters affected, which matters a whole damn lot.
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2013-03-05, 21:44 | Link #2686 | |
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No. I am saying I can move things and still have the same effects. Really with the basic characterization the characters get in their fights des it really matters who they fight or when? No really. Corona could feel how she felt about being inferior all the way while fighting a complete stranger, for example. In the end this tournament and fights are bad set because they don’t feel like essential in any way. They are just flashy and try to compensate the lack of story with visuals.
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2013-03-05, 21:53 | Link #2688 | ||
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Einhart? Not so much. For example, change her opponent to someone much weaker than her. She trounces them easily, leaving her unsatisfied in proving the worth of her Kaiser Arts. Thus, a change. Her situation in the tournament: Sieglinde sees her trapped in the past, fighting for it despite it being just a tournament and she tells her to let go of the past. Einhart attacks her on the street? Sieglinde will just see her as a thug and probably kick her ass without trying to help her. Change. You change one thing, you change its outcome. That's unavoidable.
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2013-03-05, 22:02 | Link #2689 |
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No, it isn’t. You assume you know how the character will react and you assume it will be different. I say it really doesn’t matter because cause and consequence doesn’t start until the fight itself begins so where the battle takes place doesn’t matter that much. They need to fight each other and in the fight learn about each other. That is it. But the problems of the manga go beyond that as I say the other page and I won’t feel like repeating. Change unimportant things won’t change the outcome. That has been my whole point how many unimportant things we have around.
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2013-03-05, 22:14 | Link #2693 |
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... do you even read anything in this manga, Sansker? Read any of the dialogue AT ALL? Or do you just look at all the pictures? Because it sounds like you're just here for pictures, because you're completely fucking ignoring every other aspect in the manga and then you have the gall to call it terrible.
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2013-03-05, 22:19 | Link #2695 |
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Sansker, lemme put it to you this way.
Yours, Aki and Archon's view of Nanoha (post-A's) is as bad as my view on Naruto. And, trust me, if I got going with Naruto, I don't shut up about it. Rising Dragon can vouch for me, he's heard me go into rants about that series SEVERAL times now. Sansker, you can say "I don't like Nanoha, I think it's poorly done" and there's not much we can say about that. That's subjective. But when you try to explain why you feel that way subjectively with objective stuff, that's when you're going to get hammered.
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2013-03-05, 22:27 | Link #2696 |
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And I will keep insisting on my position. I don’t see why I can’t base my opinion on objective reasons as well. Even when I know is subjective. Everything is opinion base but I have my reasons, I will stay them and I will insist on defend my position when I feel is being either misinterpreted or just attack because it doesn’t seems to add up with the rest. But overall even those who say they like it are also being subjective so if we are going for that line we are just voicing opinions. Positive or negative doesn’t really matter. I already say what I think and why. So really there it is. Nothing you guys say makes me change my mind.
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2013-03-05, 22:33 | Link #2698 |
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Sansker, liking or disliking something is fine, that's opinion, but when you use objective reasoning and FAIL at it, that's when people get on your case.
You say changing things around would change nothing, that's flat out wrong. You say that there's no character development and that the whole manga is about fighting and nothing else? That's also wrong. and when we point out that it's wrong, you keep changing what you said, which annoys the hell out of us. And, if you've already made up your mind to hate the series, why are you even here? Seriously, you can just go back to your conversations with people who call the series trash and stop bothering us if you're just going to be this way.
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2013-03-05, 22:35 | Link #2699 |
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And what if you are wrong? All along I have just heard I should change my mind because you guys think different and that is not how this works. Calling the other reasons wrong when some come out interpretation doesn’t really add up. I already say for example why the drama and the reasons of the characters seem weak and not well executed. But you never touch on that and just went with this thing about Ein and Sie which was just an example to illustrated how many things that happen don’t really add up all things consider.
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