2008-11-05, 13:14 | Link #662 |
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I was thinking more like, that she's the culprit only until someone (like Eva) finds the gold and starts to carry on the murders.
Not sure if this has been brought up but, I've been told just a little while ago that the alcohol Kinzo drinks causes hallucination, or at least, there is an alcohol coloured green that causes hallucination. I'd known of it before but never connected it to the one Kinzo drinks. Here's the wiki article on it, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absinthe If it's been specified as being green and Kinzo drinking it regularily, I think it's pretty safe to say that absinthe is going to play a part in the answer arcs. Of course Umineko isn't going to mirror Higurashi or anything, but hallucinations played a huge part in Higurashi so it's possible there might be that theme again. Last edited by Turtleen; 2008-11-05 at 21:05. |
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I apologize for being late on this. Just got caught up with various things at work.
Here's the rest of the name break down to the best of my ability: Previous break down of the Japanese names Previous break down of the romanized names 南條 輝正 - "southern law" "bright & certain" Quote:
呂ノ上 源次 - "above ryo" "next origin" Quote:
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嘉音 - Joyful sound Quote:
郷田 俊朗 - "home field" "talented and bright" Quote:
熊沢 チヨ - "Bear's stream" ? Quote:
明日夢 - Tomorrow's Dream Quote:
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* I'm not sure how you read this. Judging by the other house mention the last kanji is read as あん. と・らい・あん? わたり・き・あん? I have no idea. Quote:
九羽鳥庵 - Nine feather bird's retreat Quote:
Notes ---------------------------- I think this is a very good approach to the mystery. There are still many names we don't know. 1) Kinzo's wife 2) Maria's father 3) The name Kinzo gave Maria 4) Nanjo's son 5) A stretch might be Kyrie's son and Asumu's mother and father (as they raised Battler) <- I doubt this possibility There are also other places on the island which we don't know if they have names. I'm assuming the main mansion has a name as well. Does rose garden, chapel, the port, the beach, etc have names? Judging by the two building we know the names to, the names seem to be related to birds. Last edited by nagare; 2008-11-08 at 10:40. |
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When was it said that absinthe is what he's drinking? I must have missed that. For the 'real' Beatrice, in episode 2, she does say she's placing herself on the chessboard, I think the Beatrice in the meta world would be the real one while the Beatrice wearing the jacket and skirt is sort of a copy/clone type of thing that the real Beatrice has made to act in her place. Which makes it possible that others like the one who writes in Maria's notebook could also be copies. The one Kinzo fell in love with would probably also be the real one. Shannon and Kanon's Beatrice could be either. |
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2008-11-07, 20:08 | Link #668 |
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Mmm... it is strongly implied that he lived with his maternal grandparents ( or he would have lived with kinzo)
Why isnt there any thread about Ep4? the other threads started a month before the release but still there isnt... |
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Also, the discussions recently are quite active, so the other threads are fine by themselves. Creating a thread for Ep4 for only baseless speculations isn't exactly productive.
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Yea, I was typing both post during my lunch break and wasn't careful.
Also I found Manon's 眞 in a kanji dictionary. I guess my long shot guess was right. It's another form of 真 (truth), but I've never seen this kanji used in a sentence or word before, so I don't know the exact usage, whether it can be interchangeable with 真 or has specific situational usage or not. But it seems like the old form of 真. I'll go edit my post. Quote:
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緑の妖精 (Green Fairy) is another name for absinthe. Also ニガヨモギ is wormwood (Artemisia absinthium), the primary ingredient of absinthe. Also interesting here, Kinzo made an allusion to how he'll die (throw me in the witch's furnace). I'm pretty convince, the burnt body isn't Kinzo and Kinzo planted it there. I'm glad you made me look that up XD Kinzo was talking to Krauss and Nanjo here (EP 01) when Krauss went to inform him that the guests have arrived. Last edited by nagare; 2008-11-08 at 11:19. |
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2008-11-08, 17:59 | Link #675 |
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Ah, that would be why I didn't notice then, I remember being focused on the rest of the 'page', having already heard he died in the furnace.
Thank you for going to the extent of a screenshot, you didn't have to do that but it does remind me of that allusion. |
2008-11-10, 17:58 | Link #679 |
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hmm, well, it _is_ mentioned on wikipedia that in older times absinthe may have had hallucinogenic effects due to added coloring, and kinzo's drink certainly is said to be colorful
while the story certainly doesn't take place in the 19th century, kinzo's fascination with older western culture may have led him to collect some of the old liquor... but nobody else has been drinking this stuff, right? except when battler gets drunk at one point, maybe i don't know how much it explains, but it does make it possible for at least two people to be hallucinating |
2008-11-10, 18:13 | Link #680 |
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Absinthe is not hallucinogenic. People started tripping out and getting sick in Europe back in the day because it was like *80% alcohol*. Meaning people drank a glass and got completely smashed, and when they'd drink a few glasses a day to forget their life since the stuff was cheap as dirt, they all got delirium tremens and started dying.
The component in absinthe which is supposed to make you go crazy is thujone, and it's not in concentrations near enough in the drink to do anything, and it's not a toxin that stays in the organism. So can we ONCE AND FOR ALL agree that absinthe is not a relevant point and is simply an interesting tidbit Ryukishi 07 put in ? Thank you. |
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