2004-03-03, 03:20 | Link #41 | |
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Can someone care to elaborate, as this notion is very intriguing even from a casual Japanese person? |
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2004-03-03, 03:52 | Link #43 | |
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As for why it is only viewed in that nature, and does not follow in any aspect I have sene the more serious nature of some ero anime I do not know. although I must admit, I find most ero anime humorus to a degree. . . comon tell me no one thought the ideas of ninja fighting via sex is not humorus. |
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2004-03-03, 04:03 | Link #44 | |
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This goes back to the mid-90s when there were far fewer US companies distributing anime. Most of the companies back then emphasized action and female characters in skimpy clothing in their marketing. US Manga Corps stuck fanservice-heavy titles like Aika and Ramune right into their regular lineup, which was kind of unusual. Kitty Media carries a large roster of eroanime to this day. Third-party warehouses ran ads in adult magazines selling the "hentai" videos. A company called Eros Comics began to translate and publish ero-manga titles as well. Seemingly thousands of English-language websites sprang up to recycle whatever images they could find from game captures, manga scans etc. As anime and manga became more popular in the US all this advertising created a composite image in many people's minds of heavy weapons, panty shots and tentacles... they didn't really know what it was all about so they just latched onto the images repeated most often in the advertising. Like I said, the fans didn't care. Anime was harder to find, so it didn't seem strange that a lot of people didn't really know what was available. The licensing companies continued to sell series based on sensationalized nonsense, usually stressing sex and violence. That was annoying, but as long as the anime came over, it was all good... As far as the statement, "Most westerners find animated porn ridiculous," that's basically true. Vast amounts of uncensored pornography have been easy to find for 25 years or so. It's no longer necessary to even try and shoot the stuff like a movie and have any vestige of a story anymore. There just seems to be no point to the consumer of this sort of thing to making an animated feature with a storyline using images of characters who look pretty much like the people who "act" in "live-action" porn. |
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2004-03-03, 07:21 | Link #45 |
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Well said babbito2k.
I'll add that I think westerners not taking animated erotica seriously is linked to many westerners not taking animation seriously in the first place. I doubt very much that a film like Grave of the Fireflies could have been made and marketed to great success in the US. People would say, "A what? A serious war drama as a cartoon? Yeah, right." Cartoons (in the US) are still very strongly linked with children's entertainment. I get strange looks from some adults when I tell them I enjoy watching animated films and TV shows. I've heard people say, "Why would someone want to watch animated sex, when you can watch real people instead (porn films)?" Some westerners contend that the idea of animated sex is a perversion, clinging strongly to the idea that cartoons are just for kids. I've seen people comment online that those who watch animated erotica/porn are sad cases: "That's just pitiful, man, can't you get a girlfriend?" Part of these points of view may be linked with the Puritan idea that sex is something inherently sinful, instead of a natural part of life. Living in the US, I can't help but feel that many Americans have a very immature (if that's the right word) ideas about the topic of sex in general. Last edited by Briareos; 2004-03-03 at 08:27. |
2004-03-03, 15:22 | Link #46 |
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Hmm...I have to disagree with your opinion. Since like kj1980 said, "...in Japan, 'hentai' - as you call it, are known as 'ero-anime.'" Well, don't you think that put "hentai" into anime category?
Well, if you still not convinced, what does the the word "anime" mean? According to one of the forum, anime is actualy a word short for animation. Based on this, isn't hentai animated? In conclusion, hentai is anime. The only difference is it falls under the category of ero-anime. |
2004-03-03, 18:05 | Link #48 | |
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The main reason is that cartoons are for kids. The norm is, if you're older than maybe even 12, you'll start to get wierd looks if you say you watch cartoons. Thats because its belived, and almost entirely true, that cartoons *are* for kids. I'm not 100% for this reason, but its generally assumed that once you reach a certain age you'll give up such childish things. Infact, lots of people watching anime may get this reaction, that you need to grow up, be more mature, stop watching cartoons. The second reason is that porn is while widespread, is still very much shunned by society as a whole. Obviously it still exists, and plenty of people view/buy it (although porn is something you're expected to grow out of too for the most part), but there's a large portion of society that is against its very existance. Here, there are many laws limiting the availability and distribution of pornographic content. For example, adult video's arn't allowed to be sold/rented in a place that has access to minors. An adult video store must have no see-through windows, and isn't allowed to advertise whats in the store. The store is required by law to be located away from heavy trafic areas, atleast half a km away and not within line of site from any schools or public center such as a library or recreation center. The government will carefully review content that crosses the border to verify that its taseful and complies with national law. Just to give you an idea of how strict society is with adult material here. So basically in society here many people would find it wrong if you simply collected porn. You would be a strange person if you were 22 and still watching cartoons too. But cartoon porn, thats just screwed up. Another thing about cartoons here, is that they're for the most part very basic and undetailed. Its generally assumed that no one could be stimulated from such material. Basically "Cartoon Porn" is on the bad end of things when it comes to how society view it. |
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2004-03-03, 18:12 | Link #49 | |
Gomen asobase desuwa!
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Hmm, that really enlightened me. I was always wondering why some of the American otakus that I have met at Comike knew extremely minor anime such as "NG Ramune & 40," "Urotsukidouji," and "Bubblegum Crisis" (anime that can be hardly mentioned as a "major hit" here) when "Tokimeki Memorial" was all the craze in Japan. That was the only stuff that the US companies brought over! It all makes sense now... However, whatever grabs your attention in a drought of anime is fine by me. Whatever the judgment, I see the anime fanbase in your country has increased very much in the past decade. As I see more and more non-Japanese people urking around Akihabara asking me in a quite-well-spoken Japanese: "sumimasen, Kotobukiya no figyuaa wa doko ni uttemasuka?" (Where can I find Kotobukiya figurines?) I take pride in what Japan has to offer to the world...especially in this age of depressing economic recession. Now open the Pandora's Box to let loli and moe~ philosophy enter the mainstream in your country.... |
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2004-03-03, 18:39 | Link #50 | |
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I'll enlighten you a little further to the situation here. There is a HUGE society backlash against such taboo's. Loli, insest, they get torn apart by society. I heard of somewhere where sister princess got taken off the air because there were so many complaints about the content (it was mentioned earlier on these boards). I forget where, but its not here. Still, society is just as restless here. Undoubtedly if they tried to air it here it would suffer a similar fate. Localization companies for ero games and anime are paranoid, with good reason. They go out of thier way to state characters age as being above 18, where as they wouldn't have even mentioned it in the japanese release. They change any reference to school, or 'gakuen' to College or University. And the reason is, if they didn't, someone would see this and take them to cort for attempting to distribute child pornography. Sad but true. I mean, somewhere in the states a few years back there was a court case where some people were trying to get "Urotsukidoji" declaired as obsene and force it to be removed from the market. They lost the case, but it gives you a good idea as to how society's stance is on the issue. While its slowly getting better, you won't see Loli and Moe floating around here for quite some time T_T. |
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2004-03-03, 19:33 | Link #51 | |
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There have been shows that have had lukewarm receptions in Japan, but done very well in the states (Like Big O), but these three are not good examples. |
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2004-03-03, 21:48 | Link #52 | |
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Or if you meant SisPre being taken off the air over here in Japan, then I can't recall that show being taken off the air...to my knowledge it all episodes were shown each consecutive week... Granted though, I do understand the implication you are trying to say. Taboo of openly defined sex, incest, and lolita-complex are laid down explicitly in Japanese society as well. Hence, you see these shows shoved off to obscure UHF channels and/or shown late at night. |
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2004-03-03, 21:50 | Link #53 | |
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Anyways, i don't see the confusion here. It's a extreamly simple question to answer. Let me repeat for the 40th time in this thread. Hentai is anime by defintion. And my hentai Folder does and always will remain inside my Anime folder. Is that not a good enough answer? BTW. Many of my friends find hentai disgusting, without even seeing it and without giving me a strait answer. I've always found this annoying. I was born and raised in the USA, but i don't have this mentality. I don't know where this American idea got planted in the minds of the people. Last edited by Worldestroyer; 2004-03-04 at 07:03. |
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2004-03-03, 22:56 | Link #54 | |
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Remove all those warning plates, like the "Do not drink" signs on toilets! (geez, how braindead can you be to drink out of a toilet? This can only happen in America...) |
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2004-03-04, 05:24 | Link #55 | |
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2004-03-05, 01:10 | Link #56 |
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In my opinion, hentai is anime. I don't agree with it, but it is undeniably part of anime culture. If a good series comes out, you'll definitely be able to find hentai on it, whether you want to or not [ever make that mistake on Google?].
kj1980: I liked your comment on American otakus and big breasted female anime characters. We have an anime club at our school and watch new episodes every Friday. Within half a second after a top-heavy girl appears on the screen, there are comments [then some oos, aahhs, and laughter]. As soon as they go "bounce," they repeat. Stupid freshmen and sophomores. |
2004-03-05, 03:43 | Link #57 |
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Hentai is anime with a specific focus in displaying sexual activity that is largely exclusive of other plot devices. With the term anime being derived from Japan, which is short for 'japanese animation', hentai is condered anime by definition.
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2004-03-05, 13:44 | Link #58 | |
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2004-03-05, 18:10 | Link #59 | |
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2004-03-05, 18:25 | Link #60 | |
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