2011-02-14, 17:33 | Link #1101 | |
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2011-02-14, 17:49 | Link #1102 |
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The admirals has permission to kill pirates, pirates in their information causes the world to be scared (civilians) so they have rights to kill the pirates. Anyway its a war. If no one loses someone then it would be completely stupid and wouldn't be called a war. They can kill who ever they want apart from their own team ofcourse and innocent civilians but they have the right to capture/kill the pirates.
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2011-02-14, 18:27 | Link #1103 | ||
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2011-02-15, 04:19 | Link #1104 | |
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Kizaru is somewhat lazy too. He didn't even kill off the Supernova he was fighting against - he left them to go get Luffy. Akainu is a real bastard - but at least he gets the job done, he doesn't allow anything or anyone to get in the way. He spared the WG total humiliation by killing Ace. |
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2011-02-15, 12:23 | Link #1105 | |
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Executing the Strawhats would not be 'just', as at that point they'd only fought against pirates, Crocodile and Enel, and had not yet gone against the WG at all. Is my assessment correct? And I agree Kizaru is a lazy bastard, but to be honest, his job was to apprehend Luffy, Kidd and Law,and not to bother with the other Supernovas.
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2011-02-15, 15:28 | Link #1108 | |
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Even after Enies Lobby - he had the chance to arrest them, AFTER they DECLARED WAR on the World Government. His failure to finish him off, caused the huge embarassments in the future like that which happenned at Impel Down, and during the battle at Marineford itself. Plus it is Luffy's fault for those Level 6 prisoners escaping in the first place along with Blackbeard - who has now become the most dangerous pirate alive. Because of them allowing all the prisoners to escape to cause a distraction - Magellan was too busy dealing with them, and in a desperate moment, released Shiliew to deal with Blackbeard, and we all saw how disastrous a decision that turned out to be. That 1 decision changed the very course of history itself. Akainu has the right idea. He made a vow he would not allow Ace & Luffy to escape - he made good on that promise in the case of Ace. He delivers justice without question. He gets the job done. |
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2011-02-15, 17:10 | Link #1109 |
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Ok, lets just say that Akainu can get the job done, but the 2 other admirals can not reall . From the story line the admirals :
Kizaru failed to kill Luffy in the Bubble town ! Aokiji failed to give Robin to the World Government Now when you look at Akainu's successes. Killed the Civilians in the boat because there might be a chance of Oharan scholar. He killed Ace! But im not really saying they useless. Ofcourse they are not. They are strong. But they dont seem to be getting their jobs done. Ok fair enough, the admirals battled against the Whitebeard's and won and also protected their team mates, but without Sengoku they would have lost the war. |
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If you are to be the future President or Prime Minister of my country, I would be very very scared. You would fit in well in Thailand's military regime, or Venezuela's dictatorship. Quote:
Sure it is supposed to be the Government's military arm, but the Government is expected to be just. If the Government itself is corrupt, the Marines have a duty to its citizens to operate in a fair and just manner, which Aokiji has done. Quote:
They are admirals, not assassins. Their job isn't to execute people..thats what terminators are for.
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2011-02-15, 18:40 | Link #1111 |
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No not really. They are admirals to stop cruelty in the world. This involves KILLING if the pirates refuse to do so or RUN away. If you fight back ofcourse they would kill you, like you are going to shoot a guy with a gun, but a POLICE came and shot your arms or something. Its the same concept. It was like Luffy was fighting against Aokiji to protect Robin but failed. He froze to death, causing him to lose his life. It's like that. Admirals have the right to fight back. What do you think the Admiral's jobs are..?
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2011-02-15, 18:56 | Link #1112 | ||
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I never said that they didn't have the right to fight. Obviously they do.
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Aokiji failed to hand Robin over because he believed it wasn't the just thing to do. As a Marine Admiral, that is his job. His 'failure' to hand Robin over to the WG was his way of doing his job well. Which is also what you are condemning, which I am trying to argue against. Do you get my point now? Quote:
Am I right?
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2011-02-15, 19:08 | Link #1113 | |
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Actually Kizaru failed to kill Luffy in Shabaody because both Rayleigh and Kuma intervened. The fight with Rayleigh looked like both of them were playing around, and he didn't have any control over Kuma. The Straw Hat crew would have died several times over if that hadn't happened.
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Agreed. Their job is to uphold Justice, however they personally define it. The best example of this would probably be Aokiji during the CP9 Saga. He could have easily destroyed the Straw Hats after he defeated Luffy in one-on-one combat, but he made a promise to Luffy that he would only fight the Captain. Hence, according to his "Lazy Justice", he didn't pursue the crew. Likewise, he allowed Robin to escape from Orhara because he didn't believe it was just to kill her (and as a favor to his friend), and he verbally called out Akainu for attacking the refuge ship they had promised to spare. And even after Enies Lobby, he was right there where everyone was celebrating, and could have easily killed all of them for declaring war against the WG; all he did was tell Robin to live a happy life.
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2011-02-15, 20:10 | Link #1114 | |
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think we've discussed the Akainu's morality thing
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not that I mind, noone's allowed to touch Robin-chan ! I don't really care tbh, it's an anime, he's a villain and he's DAMN GOOD villain, one of the very best I've ever seen (for me - along with BB, DBZ's Cell and FMA:B's Wrath) .. Terminator fits so well lol awesome episode, I didn't actually realise from the manga that Akainu tore through Jinbei like through Ace and gave Luffy the scar then also, Croc action yey ! so weird and ironic seeing him protect Luffy and then standing together with the WB pirates .. guess his grudge is gone now that WB's dead
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2011-02-15, 20:20 | Link #1115 | ||
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2011-02-15, 20:28 | Link #1116 | ||
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one thing I wanna see the most is an anime extended fight of BB vs Sengoku (been wanting this from when it happened in the manga) .. but it's not very likely IMO
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2011-02-15, 20:34 | Link #1117 |
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Well maybe. I wasn't expecting Mihawk vs. Jimbei either, so I can see them wanting to show off the Fleet Admiral a bit. Honestly though, I'm more interested in seeing everything Sengoku's DF is capable of.
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2011-02-15, 21:53 | Link #1118 | |
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What scares me is how some people (like Pwnago) seem to almost look up to his character. There is a reason why he is the villain, you know..
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There is nothing just about the government or the Marines, that were willing to completely overlook DoFlamingo's slave trading right under their very noses. No question he has done his job up to a certain point, but that doesn't include letting a dangerous person like Luffy running wild in the sea. Because of Luffy - many dangerous pirates from Impel Down i.e the Lvl 6 Prisoners, have now been released back on to the open sea. Quote:
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