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novalysis · 2013-07-12, 22:07

I don't think this is going to be solved by Keima's Galge Romance tactics. I really can't see this happening. Keima would probably have to look for a different solution, and get down to the root of Kaori's personality. I think the problem here is that Kaori has the initiative - and in most TGWOK arcs, it's usually Keima who has that initiative and control over the situation. I can only recall two arcs where that element is missing: Yui and Akari, and perhaps during the final chapters of Hinoki's arc.

But here, surrendering the initiative to the other party, in the manner of dealing with Yui is not an option at all. Kaori will not dance to Keima's tune, and Keima, I doubt would be able to force Kaori to dance to his tune with a romantic base approach. That did not work for Urarar either. The closest analogy to this situation from Keima's perspective would be the Yui goddess arc capture, but in that case, the target was friendly. In this case, the target is hostile, and actively seeks to undermine his moves, and strip him of the initiative.

NoirX · 2013-07-13, 02:31

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Originally Posted by novalysis

I don't think this is going to be solved by Keima's Galge Romance tactics. I really can't see this happening. Keima would probably have to look for a different solution, and get down to the root of Kaori's personality. I think the problem here is that Kaori has the initiative - and in most TGWOK arcs, it's usually Keima who has that initiative and control over the situation. I can only recall two arcs where that element is missing: Yui and Akari, and perhaps during the final chapters of Hinoki's arc.

But here, surrendering the initiative to the other party, in the manner of dealing with Yui is not an option at all. Kaori will not dance to Keima's tune, and Keima, I doubt would be able to force Kaori to dance to his tune with a romantic base approach. That did not work for Urarar either. The closest analogy to this situation from Keima's perspective would be the Yui goddess arc capture, but in that case, the target was friendly. In this case, the target is hostile, and actively seeks to undermine his moves, and strip him of the initiative.

Keima will somehow conquer Kaori through winning against her in the duel with the end result being Kaoru's death I guess.

novalysis · 2013-07-13, 04:23

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Originally Posted by NoirX

Keima will somehow conquer Kaori through winning against her in the duel with the end result being Kaoru's death I guess.

It wouldn't surprise me if that dark option was exercised.

It also wouldn't surprise me if Keima had to capture a reincarnated Kaori (six?) years younger than him, in a future arc.

moridin84 · 2013-07-13, 05:25

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I will bet on this.

Meanwhile, I guess that what Kaori said to Tenri is what Tenri whispered to Diana when Diana grows her wings.

I thought the secret that Tenri told Diana was the "after plan". Keima was originally planning to tell all the girls about the 6-timing, figuring they would hate him.

NoirX · 2013-07-13, 05:58

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Originally Posted by moridin84

I thought the secret that Tenri told Diana was the "after plan". Keima was originally planning to tell all the girls about the 6-timing, figuring they would hate him.

The girls might already realized it by now that Keima is multi-tasking them~.

shadow1296 · 2013-07-13, 12:17

okay so i just completed the goddesses arc and i have got to ask why did the author do that to chihiro she was one of the few characters that liked keima for him with no conquest needed (it actually makes her conquest better understand) and yet the author did that to her even, i cried in that last chapter i really hope it gets better for her and keima because that effected him greatly as well and those were the first real tears he had during this entire series

NoirX · 2013-07-13, 13:29

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okay so i just completed the goddesses arc and i have got to ask why did the author do that to chihiro she was one of the few characters that liked keima for him with no conquest needed (it actually makes her conquest better understand) and yet the author did that to her even, i cried in that last chapter i really hope it gets better for her and keima because that effected him greatly as well and those were the first real tears he had during this entire series

Isn't it because Chihiro too normal? She was first made for the purpose of being a side character. But as the story progress, the author changed his mind and makes her like Keima

shadow1296 · 2013-07-13, 14:20

if that's the case he did not have to make her likable or have this scene

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i mean the keima scene or or the chihiro scene alone is enough to make it sad but to have both is just overkill, not only that but to have keima say those words in that scene shows that his feelings for her may be a little stronger for her than the other conquests because again she did not need a conquest because she likes him for him and not because he conquered her

Miraluka · 2013-07-13, 14:33

Kaori is creepy...

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Kaori just outsmarted Keima did she not?

I don't think so, Keima's plan anticipade her moves. Its the variable like Elsie being dumb or Tenri being naive...

ices · 2013-07-13, 15:13

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Originally Posted by shadow1296

okay so i just completed the goddesses arc and i have got to ask why did the author do that to chihiro she was one of the few characters that liked keima for him with no conquest needed (it actually makes her conquest better understand) and yet the author did that to her even, i cried in that last chapter i really hope it gets better for her and keima because that effected him greatly as well and those were the first real tears he had during this entire series

it will be answered eventually, ... (maybe)

Silver-Throne · 2013-07-13, 19:15

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seems like Kaori is possessed by demons... there's no way an elementary grade student can do that wicked plan....

Possessed by Evil Demons/Evil Spirits? I dont recall anything with that stuff

Plus if she were to be possessed, let`s say that she has some higher level 'cunning-ness' that could match a god

Kyouka · 2013-07-13, 20:05

maybe she's not a queen but the goddess of conquest O:

Shadow5YA · 2013-07-13, 20:09

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Possessed by Evil Demons/Evil Spirits? I dont recall anything with that stuff

Plus if she were to be possessed, let`s say that she has some higher level 'cunning-ness' that could match a god

No, even Kaori makes some childish flaws.

The biggest example is when she tells Keima she made a deal with devils, yet she has no idea how it works, but still believes that she is in a position to control who and who doesn't get attacked.

The fact that Kaori completely trusts the devils is strange.

NoirX · 2013-07-13, 20:53

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No, even Kaori makes some childish flaws.

The biggest example is when she tells Keima she made a deal with devils, yet she has no idea how it works, but still believes that she is in a position to control who and who doesn't get attacked.

The fact that Kaori completely trusts the devils is strange.

Strange enough to indicate a possibility of a high level Weiss is inside her and manipulating her or that she's under the spell of Vintage.

darkalpha · 2013-07-17, 21:18

After re-reading the new chapters, I just realized that Keima now has a way to put weiss in each of his future conquest targets, thanks to Kaori's timer 'bomb'. Once he wins over Kaori, it'll be a simple matter to either have target girls' rankings manipulated so they fall within the range, or have have Kaori designate them as hosts.

ChampDream · 2013-07-17, 21:57

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Originally Posted by darkalpha

After re-reading the new chapters, I just realized that Keima now has a way to put weiss in each of his future conquest targets, thanks to Kaori's timer 'bomb'. Once he wins over Kaori, it'll be a simple matter to either have target girls' rankings manipulated so they fall within the range, or have have Kaori designate them as hosts.

but how you know all the target girls went to Keima's elementary school, so far we only see Tenri.

Silver-Throne · 2013-07-18, 07:16

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but how you know all the target girls went to Keima's elementary school, so far we only see Tenri.

please refer to the manga chapter, I`ve read that chapter..well it mentioned AYUMI there as 'ranked girls'

Kaori will be conquered by god of conquests if she will not be killed by Vintage

Keima is trying to stop Vintage`s scheme there by changing the events(That could lead a good ending/good future) [ Time-travel Arc]

Xero8420 · 2013-07-19, 03:48

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but how you know all the target girls went to Keima's elementary school, so far we only see Tenri.

Beside Tenri, Ayumi was mentioned on the top 10 board, ranked #6. Interesting... I wonder when will shota Ayumi make an appearance in the future?

Hue hue~ Which means Ayumi fans would get an impression that she has a history with Keima's childhood lifetime, eh?

Silver-Throne · 2013-07-19, 07:35

^^ Let there be good event for them hopefully(A GOOD FLAG )

Spoiler for Latest Chapter:

Okay, her(I mean Kaori) personality is creeping me out. She needs the talk no jutsu by someone

She reminds me of certain arrogant prick.

Jokes aside, what is her real weakness? If I`m talking about her real weakness, I mean something that she holds precious to her heart and mind

kagato3 · 2013-07-19, 07:39

lol so Keima has been a slider, a time traveler, an alien, and now a Esper, while still being god he's the SOS dan all in one person.

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shadow1296 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012	okay so i just completed the goddesses arc and i have got to ask why did the author do that to chihiro she was one of the few characters that liked keima for him with no conquest needed (it actually makes her conquest better understand) and yet the author did that to her even, i cried in that last chapter i really hope it gets better for her and keima because that effected him greatly as well and those were the first real tears he had during this entire series __________________

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shadow1296 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012	if that's the case he did not have to make her likable or have this scene Images Sorry; dynamic content not loaded. Reload? or this one Images Sorry; dynamic content not loaded. Reload? i mean the keima scene or or the chihiro scene alone is enough to make it sad but to have both is just overkill, not only that but to have keima say those words in that scene shows that his feelings for her may be a little stronger for her than the other conquests because again she did not need a conquest because she likes him for him and not because he conquered her __________________ Last edited by shadow1296; 2013-07-13 at 16:46.

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kagato3 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006	lol so Keima has been a slider, a time traveler, an alien, and now a Esper, while still being god he's the SOS dan all in one person. __________________ Higurashi: Its a bit like watching a trainwreck, except you keep getting to see different trains wrecking with roughly the same passengers, into a variety of different objects. Also, the trains are driven by monkeys. On LSD.

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novalysis Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011	I don't think this is going to be solved by Keima's Galge Romance tactics. I really can't see this happening. Keima would probably have to look for a different solution, and get down to the root of Kaori's personality. I think the problem here is that Kaori has the initiative - and in most TGWOK arcs, it's usually Keima who has that initiative and control over the situation. I can only recall two arcs where that element is missing: Yui and Akari, and perhaps during the final chapters of Hinoki's arc. But here, surrendering the initiative to the other party, in the manner of dealing with Yui is not an option at all. Kaori will not dance to Keima's tune, and Keima, I doubt would be able to force Kaori to dance to his tune with a romantic base approach. That did not work for Urarar either. The closest analogy to this situation from Keima's perspective would be the Yui goddess arc capture, but in that case, the target was friendly. In this case, the target is hostile, and actively seeks to undermine his moves, and strip him of the initiative.

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Kyouka Is Here Join Date: Oct 2010 Age: 33	maybe she's not a queen but the goddess of conquest O:

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darkalpha Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: United States	After re-reading the new chapters, I just realized that Keima now has a way to put weiss in each of his future conquest targets, thanks to Kaori's timer 'bomb'. Once he wins over Kaori, it'll be a simple matter to either have target girls' rankings manipulated so they fall within the range, or have have Kaori designate them as hosts.