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This is nothing new...This has happened all throughout the history of NFL football...When you have a guy for a starter for a decade and he doesn't produce a championship or hasn't produced a championship for a while it's a natural inclination to want to bring in new blood...Except for the super-elites (Terry Bradshaw, Montana, Elway, etc.) This has always happened...Hell let me contradict myself a bit, even Brett Favre and Dan Marino couldn't escape this fate... McNabb is going to be a borderline Hall of Famer...He won't get in on his first ballot, maybe not even 2nd, but he'll get in there for time served (And honestly he has a level of pathos from so many in the media that'll get him through)...To me, McNabb nutured his own capabilities...By going so hardcore against being looked at as a running black QB, he took his most essential skill (The skill that has Vick looking like Steve Young on Steroids right now) and limited himself IMO...He's not a pure west-coast QB and by purposely taking that aspect out of his game it put the spotlight on his shaky accuracy as a QB... He probably would have been great in Mike Shanahan's offense back in the day...The Bootlegs, the sprint-actions, where he would only have to throw to 1 or 2 receivers downfield would have been better for his career...Imagine him instead of Jake Plummer in that Denver offense pre-Cutler... McNabb has obviously had a good career, but when you examine it under a microscope, or even in microcosm, there was more than enuff evidence provided to validate a switch in Philly based on performance...Not that Kolb (or even Vick to some extent) is soooo much better, but that they represent a new dynamic moving forward...
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2010-10-04, 22:34 | Link #1283 | |
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2010-10-04, 22:54 | Link #1284 | |
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Also, one of my RBs in both leagues is McCoy. Combined with my QB woes, and having Andre Johnson in one league... ouch. Is it just me, or are there a lot more injuries this year than usual? |
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2010-10-04, 22:55 | Link #1285 |
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Nosuaz, remember the Devil is in the details...If you you ignore the details...He'll win...
Now I'm not some douchbag that hides behind the numbers all the time if ever, but 59.4% Lifetime Completion Percentage in the playoffs...That's some minutia for youra$$ if we're talking elite...But again it's not just about that, it just contextualizes my earlier points about his inaccuracy as a passer in a league that over the last 5 years is so much more based on that from the QB position, especially in the West Coast derivative offense...
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2010-10-05, 00:19 | Link #1287 |
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SO Wingdarkness brings up McNabbs innaccuracy again (in my opinion its not as consistently bad as he likes to make it seem) and while there is truth to the claim I must say that those passing problems are hardly an excuse for getting rid of him. The bottom line is he was the best choice to keep at QB and the your best chance at making the superbowl.
I still can't comprehend how you can get rid of someone with stats like this (excluding his rookie season)... * In 112 regular season games, McNabb has an impressive record of 71-35. * The second best touchdown to interception ratio (2.1)---ever. * Least-intercepted quarterback per pass attempt of all time, (4588 attempts-96 interceptions, 2.09%) * Currently the third-highest winning percentage among active quarterbacks behind Peyton Manning and Tom Brady * Led the Eagles to the playoffs in 7 of his 9 years as quarterback * His never lost a first round playoff game * Has more passing yards and touchdowns then any other Eagles quarterback ever People who criticize McNabb point to the same things: accuracy, injuries, his smug attitude, and his inability to win the big game. To those people, I think they need to look closer at McNabb's career a little closer. * McNabb has started 30 of the last 32 Eagles games, and for his career, has started 85% of Eagles games played (since his was drafted) * Has completed over 57 percent of his passes every year but 1 (his rookie year). * McNabb is within 5 percentage points, in terms of career completion percentage, of all of these "elite" quarterbacks : Peyton Manning, Tom. Brady, Eli Manning, Tony Romo, Kurt Warner * Dan Marino's completion percentage: 59.4. McNabb's? 58.9 * He has a higher career completion percentage then John Elway, and is 41rst overall in career completion percentage, out of 219 players. * McNabb has only thrown over 10 interceptions in a season 4 times out of his 10 seasons. In contrast, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Eli Mannin, Tony Romo and John Elway have all thrown over 10 interceptions all but 1 of the seasons they played. * In 14 playoff games, McNabb is 9-5, for a winning percentage of 64. Compared to other quarterbacks, Peyton Manning (46%), Brett Favre (54%), and John Elway (63%), that is an impressive figure. * Ok, he lost the Super Bowl. But that was 1 game, facing a dynasty team. And he did throw 3 interceptions, but he also threw for over 300 yards and 3 touchdowns. So in comparison to other quarterbacks, its not fair to say he is a horribly inaccurate passer, or that he gets hurt all of the time. If he is a horrible passer, at a 58 percent completion, what does that make Elway? An awful passer? What does that make Joe Montana (63% comp.)? A marginal passer? Its not fair to slam McNabb for being inaccurate, then praise Manning, Elway, or Montana for being one of the best passers ever, when there completion numbers are comparable.
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2010-10-05, 00:24 | Link #1288 |
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@Nousauz - You're missing the point...You have no clue if anybody is gonna be "elite" when you replace a franchise QB...Those are the risks, they are always the risks, but when you have a franchise QB that hasn't won the big one and you've seen him fail repeatedly in the same kind of way in the postseason, you move on with a new dynamic...The team in Philly has completely changed from McNabb's prime years and you move on with the hope that the guy you've evaluated and DRAFTED HIGH can start a new chapter...It happens all the time...
McNabb showed Philly for the better part of 10 years that he can't get over the hump in the playoffs and he has failed pretty much in the same fashion each time....I'm not saying it's insanity in this case to keep doing the same thing over and over and expect a different result, but for Philly it was close...It's called fatigue... @GuidoHunter you're extrapolating that point based on the flaw and assumption that I consider McNabb's historical regular season numbers on par with the guys you have just mentioned, so it's a null set comparison here...That's like saying Peyton Manning sucks if he had a 55% completion percentage in the playoffs, but historically he's near 70%...McNabb's numbers regular season and playoffs have hovered consistently below 60%...That's an inaccurate QB, who doesn't suck at all, but IMO makes him a notch below elite...
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McNabb always needed a big reciever, they just got one with jackson and he was money in the bank for McNabb the year before. They could've let that dynamic develop more (Kolb sure can't match it). They got rid of Westbrook, but McCoy is a good replacement with the same style and you know how McNabb and the Eagles loved using thos screen passes (they were one of the best teams at it). If they could have fixed their OL issue (the biggest issue the Eagles have outside of the QB) I have no doubt the Eagles would still be like they always were, consistent Super Bowl Contenders. And heck who knows if their time was about to come or not. The fact that they made it deep into the playoffs so often, why not stick with it as long as you can to see if you can break the threshold. Better than going with something that is clearly an inferior plan. Quote:
Yes I know he isn't elite (although I like to think of him as such since I practical worship the guy) yet the guy still had the ability to keep my team a superbowl contender and I will always ponder about what could have been had he stayed. Maybe my teams current situation at QB wouldn't be as bad if our OL didn't reek.
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It's like I said McNabb is a polarizing figure, one of the biggest ever and you'll never be able to convince his fans he was subpar in alot of areas...I've just never been a McNabb fan (For various reasons I suppose) and understand why Philly got rid of him...Kolb was drafted because of his "accurate arm" which is in clear disposition to McNabb...That's not to say he was or will ever be better, but that's why they got him...The NFL is more about accuracy from the QB position than it has ever been...That's why they got him...
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2010-10-05, 10:08 | Link #1293 | |
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My Carolina Panthers, Detroit Lions or the pathetic San Francisco 49ers. |
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2010-10-05, 11:20 | Link #1295 | |
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They'll have to pray even harder if McCoy ends up missing game time due to that fractured rib.
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The Bills, on the other hand, play against the AFC East twice, AFC North once, and NFC North once. Throw in Jacksonville next week (coming off a win against Indy, and not wanting to lose face) and Kansas City (good at stopping the run), and they're utterly boned. |
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2010-10-05, 11:29 | Link #1296 |
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aDepends on how long McCoy is out for, if it coincides with Vicks injury then it should be a nonfactor but if he's out for most of the season then Philly is done, because Vick can't carry that team, you have to have a decent RB to give credibility to vicks play action, play fakes and deep ball.
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2010-10-05, 13:56 | Link #1299 |
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Yeah, Chung too, though I always get very impressed by kick returns for TD's, I think it is one of the coolest things you can do in football, thus why I focused on Tate. But Chung was phenomenal and along with Merriweather the backfield might not be bad at all but actually very good. They're still inexperienced though so we'll have to see how they do against more challenging opponents.
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2010-10-05, 17:25 | Link #1300 | |
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That's what Andy Reid did...Ain't shit wrong with that...Vick blew his effin mind...Who gives a crap if he flip-flopped? This isn't 3rd Congressional District Politics in Virginia, it's football (And the most important thing is that the LOCKER ROOM endorsed this)...If someone is playing absolutely awesome, you let them play (And you keep your main girl on the side ready to show her how much you really care about her if the elevator chick dumps your a$$ or gets a rash^^)...
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