2011-06-20, 07:37 | Link #541 |
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I have two questions regarding the Imagine Breaker's interaction with supernatural entities:
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2011-06-20, 07:47 | Link #542 | |
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2. the AIM entity will be stopped , but the natural vessel will continue , but here are also 2 options , 1st one: the natural vessel is created from the AIM entity , 2nd: they have no connection with each other. the 1st scenario: it will be stopped , 2nd scenario: the natural vessel won't stop , only the AIM entity will stop
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2011-06-20, 07:58 | Link #543 | ||
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It's a being of flesh and blood, yet it has an innate supernatural power. BUT!!!!! If the supernatural power is what's keeping the being alive, then of course Imagine Breaker would kill it - for example, a Golem. Quote:
Now, we don't know if she's just taking precaution, but it does imply that the human vessel is no protection.
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2011-06-20, 08:17 | Link #544 | |
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When Index was in pain due to the memory_something spell he could not stop it just by touching her, he had to directly touch the spell seal. During ww3 arc he touched LO and removed part of her pain, but could not lift it completly. During the fight with Aureolus Izzard he was able to dispel his stuff just by touching his own body. He was able to cancell the 40km fire sword too, but after several seconds, due to the amount of energy it had. Conclusion: he can cancell the effects of one-time spells/attacks, but not sustained spells/attacks, unless he touches the source of supernatural energy directly. (If he can keep canceling without getting hurt sustained spells/attacks deppends on the amount of energy cancelled vs amount of energy emited) So your first case: he would not be able to use it's powers for as long as he would be touching him, but his supernatural powers will remain intact after he stops touching it (example saint - Kanzaki) Second: If the entity would be suppresed, then probably immunity, just like in the Index case. Though if a part of it's body would go out (not sure if having direct control over the user body is counted) then he would most likely kill it or at least damage it (depends if the entity can regenerate faster than what he can cancell - Inocentius) |
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2011-06-21, 04:37 | Link #545 |
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I want to ask a question about Touma's IB. How did he blocked the telepathy of the girl in the first season? After all he can't touch with his right hand and it is not an illusion to be able to touch it and destroy it , it's talking in his mind and I'm sure that to read minds your powers are not going from the victim's hand to its brain right?
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2011-06-21, 13:33 | Link #548 | |
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If Kanzaki dragging around a bullying Touma without him being unable to do anything doesn't suffice as a proof, we have that when both Kanzaki and Touma held Acqua, if his saint attribute could really get "turned off" by the Imagine Breaker then we would have that Kanzaki's "bear hug" would have squeezed him to death. This is correct, Touma can also cut that type of telepathic link between two people if he manages to "fly swat" the invisible cord. It is actually in that way that he explained how such telepathy type existed.
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2011-06-23, 06:26 | Link #549 | |
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2011-06-23, 08:33 | Link #551 |
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they are living beings. Just like saints. They might be magical beings but still living beings and not sustained by magical means. They won't die unless their bodies are made by magical energy like when they transformed into something but staying in human form. There won't be a problem.
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2011-06-23, 20:37 | Link #555 | |
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But that's more like a linear cannon than a bomber now Plus magnetism doesn't produce recoil right?
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2011-06-23, 23:16 | Link #556 |
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Because I've been researching (re-reading) certain parts of the novels, I was reminded that Aleister referred to Accelerator, Last Order and Fuse=KAZAKIRI as a Trinity.
I guess we can assume that it's supposed to be a Trinity like Christianity's Holy Trinity. The Trinity defining God as three divine persons. As in: Father=Accelerator. Son(Daughter in this case, W/E)=Last Order Holy Spirit=Fuse=KAZAKIRI Aleister said the Trinity is key to the Artificial Heaven. The MISAKA Network unites the Trinity. But if this Trinity that equates to God -- and may I remind you Accelerator's epithet: He who wields a piece of power that equates to God -- then how does the whole Level 6 stuff work now? Isn't SYSTEM something above God? If Accelerator is part of the Trinity that equates to God, how can he also be the Level 6 candidate, which is supposed to be above God? My brain is collapsing in on itself. Any clarification? Am I getting this all wrong?
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2011-06-23, 23:34 | Link #557 | |
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To quote someone, thinking this by the Laws of Christianity is already your failure(?) Probably the usage of the trinity is there to "grant the "Body" (system)" power and characteristics that wouldn't have otherwise.... To be honest these kinds of things can't really be foreseen and true details can only surface after things are already done with, probably the Trinity is not even the last step on "the Body". What strucks me the most when I read the definition of "System" was on how the word Body was given great importance.... Makes you think that ultimately he who achieves "that Body" might see himself stripped of "that Body" as soon as he got it
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2011-06-23, 23:42 | Link #558 |
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They said that a Level 5 would take a couple hundred years to become a Level 6, hence the need for a body that can last for that long periods of time. And now that the story is stepping into the realm of cybernetics...
Also, to understand the Heavens might not necessary automatically mean [Above God], as I've recalled Angels also have celestial knowledge.
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2011-06-24, 00:05 | Link #559 | ||
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Speaking of Fridge-kun... Kakine's Epihet is He who wields a piece of the Heaven that is inhabited by God. More and more, I think his Dark Matter might literally be a material that the Heavens are partly made of. Also... Quote:
By Dark Matter, does it mean Kakine or the literal Dark Matter? By Accelerator, does it mean with or without his wings? If Accelerator's non-angel form controls the organic, then do his wings do as well? Or if we are to believe Kakine -- that his wings are made out of Dark Matter -- then they must control the inorganic, right? But since it seems that Accelerator creates imaginary vectors with those wings -- black or white -- doesn't it mean that truly, even taking the wings into consideration, that: Accelerator=Organic Kakine=Inorganic. ???
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2011-06-24, 01:32 | Link #560 | ||
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By organic and inorganic after a long while I simply choose to take it as the simple definition given there, "organic is power that is akin to someone" and "inorganic is power that is akin to something", this is even explained as such right within those paragraphs.
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