2012-05-20, 11:27 | Link #8461 | |
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Really, any story where that happens, AND Setsuna draws her sword against Asuna for no good reason (and right after devoting a chapter to how much she idolizes Asuna now, AND she knows they'll lose Asuna "forever" now), AND Kaede tosses shurinken at her own classmates, isn't anything but Character Derailment. All for the sake of aping Love Hina, which wasn't a bad series at all (it ended much better than this), but just wasn't the same thing. It's as if Akamatsu just lost view of what each of his stories was supposed to mean. It's funny how, other than Akira and Asuna, the only two students who actually stick to Negi's side all the way through are Yotsuba and Hakase, who have zero romantic interest for him. |
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2012-05-20, 11:51 | Link #8462 | ||
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2012-05-20, 13:15 | Link #8463 | |
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That's pretty much the arc I'm talking about. The others at least have some concluding threads in them. |
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2012-05-20, 16:39 | Link #8464 | |||
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I see quite a few Negima manga set for sell in my neck of the wood (complete set only short of the last few volumes), but I haven't seen anyone with a book burning video on youtube like School Rumble. the only thing I can say about the way you and most people who sounds displeased about Negima's "supposed" ending, and all the reasons you give for it, it would be valid if it is REALLY the end of Negima, and as we now confirmed with 38, it MIGHT NOT, (notice I was withholding my opinion about the Negima ending until then?) and even if it does really end here, mangaka are not slaves or circus monkey who are obligated to perform for people's pleasure 24hrs a day no matter how popular they are, real life intervene with a manga series all the time, Ken has his reason for ending Negima the Kodansha version the way it is, what is the reason, since he has not gone public I have no idea, if all you are so frustrated because a mangaka needs to take a long break in between, then I really hope you aren't following HxH and FSS, 2 of the more popular manga in history with breaks calculated in 'years", (FSS starts in 1986 with only 12 books completed, mind you.) Ken at least has the decency to put an ending point on the series instead of leaving the story hanging. I, as a fan of FSS, (which has 10 times the story complexity of Negima) has long ago giving up the hope of able to see the end of FSS in my life time. I understand this is basically a blowing off steam session for most of you, and the fact that you need to do that is because you actually like Negima very much, (yeah, no matter how much people trash it, you won't be here and it wouldn't hurt so much if you don't like it.) but if manga is real life, you all would need therapy, compare to some other people's life time leisure interest suffering, like being a Cubs or Bills fan, this is child play, if it might help, instead here, you can send msg directly to Ken's Facebook to let him know how you feel and declaring not supporting his future works, may be that would make you people feel better? trust me, he can understand anything google translate can handle, I mean, if this Negima ending is REALLY this bad for you guys, you sure don't hate it enough to stay away from it. just a hint of possible return is enough to keep you guys in a dead forum months after the series had ended.
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2012-05-20, 17:26 | Link #8465 | |
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Are mangaka slaves? No. Do they have the responsibility to make an acceptable story? Yes. Let's face the music here, these guys aren't fanfiction writes who provide free entertainment. These are people who make a product and as such have a standard to uphold to their paying customers. No, you can't please everyone, but that shouldn't be used as an excuse to hide behind what is simply bad storytelling, and it certainly does not, in in shape, way or form, place them above criticism. So please, please spare me the "mangaka aren't slaves" defense. It holds no valid facts or observations in relation to the quality of the story whatsoever and in no way does it show that the ending isn't... well... bad. It's an empty defense meant to appeal to a sense of pity to shut up the opposition which, I have to say, is a pretty cowardly way of trying to win an argument. The rest of your post was quite the baseless accusation. What? Are you assuming we think all of Negima is bad now? No! We still like Negima, we just believe that this ending is utter crap, even for a sequel hook. The sports arc is still a waste of chapters, Asuna's drama was still a mess of Deus Ex and the ending is still a load of "wait what?" Far better spots for the ending exist, but the current one is just a cheap attempt at covering for himself in case he doesn't start a sequel. And don't get me wrong, I'm all for a sequel (hell I was the first to throw out the theory in this thread), but that doesn't change that the current ending is just bad. And do try to see the difference between criticism and complaints. Ours is most assuredly the former. Last edited by Keroko; 2012-05-20 at 17:54. |
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2012-05-20, 18:52 | Link #8466 | |
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And the only reason I don't burn my books is because I never burn books, even the old ones. but make no mistake, hell will freeze before I buy the rest of it. Especially the g*ddamn shota-rape attempt arc.
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2012-05-21, 01:27 | Link #8469 | |||
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need I remind you the most important quote in Ken's statements? "hopefully when you read the future Negima, ALL YOUR QUESTIONS WILL BE ANSWERED." did he know he left an incomplete work on the table and walk away? of course, did he know the readers will get pissed, sure, no common sense mangaka is that stupid or naive, Ken knows all that, then the question is, why did he go ahead and do that anyway? trust me, if Negima definitely ended at 38 the way it is WITH NO PROPER CAUSE, I will join you guys months ago in bashing it, but a blind guy could have seen something is up behind the scenes, so I decide to wait for more information, and truth to be told there are still not enough info to make a proper judgement, but don't you realize it is no longer such a black and white issue? only a fool would not let new information to possibiliy change his opinion, and so, are you a fool? and yes, I would still say this even if it is not popular here, Ken did not own anyone anything, this is a free capitalist society we are talking about, Ken has something to sell, we like it and buy it, does not mean Ken is obligated to keep on selling it just because we had giving him money, he can stop anytime he wants with any reasons or even no reason at all, that is his free right, and of course he will absorb damages to his reputation and future sales, that is the only way we buyer/readers can check and balance the system, but if he doesn't give a darn? there is absolutely nothing wrong with him or us, he won't get any of our future money, we won't get any of his future work, that is the way it works, or the short version? get over it. if you really feel that, like I say, go ahead and write to Ken, he won't know how strong you personally feel until you tell him, (that I mark down as a culture gap between Japanese readers and international readers, I had read many Japanese blogs, none are offend by it, I personally thought it was funny, shocking? yes, but how else are you going to carry through the onion in the butt joke (which is part of the JAPAN CULTURE) that has foreshadows all the way back to the Wilhelm arc? of course they censor Ken from using the "crazy" word because they were unacceptable in Japan, and we will probably think they are too sensitive. remember, most Japanese and Europeans can't accept the American style guns/violence in movie, while most Americans can't accept the sex joke/culture from Japan/Europe, if this onion in butt joke is really as offensive for Japanese as for you, wouldn't you think the Japan PTA will let Ken and Kodansha feel their anger long before now? beside, Ken has an out, the onion did not physically penetrate, it was all magic that simulate the effects, (think Ako's needle) which explains the untorn pants, I guess just the image is too graphic for some?) Quote:
2. I have no cause on this, I am merely posting my opinions, just like you did yours, and like I say above, neither your or mine opinions would change anything, and there are always people who disagree with you, I understand all that, but it sure seems like I am the only one who say "nay" on a lynch party? (please note, duly used.)
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2012-05-21, 01:28 | Link #8470 |
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Oy vey, not this again. Look, we all understand that Akamatsu could have made a better and more conclusive ending, but what's done is done and arguing about it is not going to change it. Saying whether or not you'll read any sequel story is not determined until it comes out, so complaining about that now is pointless.
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2012-05-21, 04:32 | Link #8471 |
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Spoiler for Whining. Of the dignified sort.:
Kind of getting at the subject at hand... I don't see a problem with people complaining about Negima's ending, even with the new information that more could be coming out of the series, because in my opinion, this particular version of Negima is ended. An alternate universe version could show up, and a sequel is possible, but this version had its ending, and it wasn't that great. Er, as a note to anyone who bothered to read the spoilered material, it's late here, so I've elected not to reread it. If there's about a hundred contradictory rambling sentences... well, I think I got to what I really meant near the end. My sincere apologies about the rambling.
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2012-05-21, 05:16 | Link #8472 | |||
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"We just believe that this ending is utter crap, even for a sequel hook. The sports arc is still a waste of chapters, Asuna's drama was still a mess of Deus Ex and the ending is still a load of "wait what?" Far better spots for the ending exist, but the current one is just a cheap attempt at covering for himself in case he doesn't start a sequel. And don't get me wrong, I'm all for a sequel (hell I was the first to throw out the theory in this thread), but that doesn't change that the current ending is just bad." Now with that out of the way, let's dive into the details once more. Quote:
Just because there will be a continuation does not change that the Asuna sealing was one big pile of overblown drama destroyed by its Deus Ex Machina ending (as much as I like Chao). You keep saying "there will be a sequel, your complaints are irrelevant" but you never explain how a sequel will magically fix all this mess we got. The only thing a continuation can do is build on what's already there, which means that the plotholes and badly written arcs are there to stay. It will not fix the wasted chapters, the warped characters, the irrelevant drama or the Deus Ex solutions. Here's the point: I agree that all this is a sequel hook. I agree that it is highly likely there will be a sequel. I will repeat that I have been saying this thing way back in februari. I just think it's a crappy sequel hook. Just because you're making a sequel, even with a cliffhanger, doesn't mean you shouldn't provide closure for the first part, and said closure should not be raising more questions than answers. That defies the point of closure. Quote:
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2012-05-21, 07:12 | Link #8474 | ||
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2012-05-21, 07:20 | Link #8475 |
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Whoa, slow down there. While I agree the sports arc was an out of character waste of space, I do think that claiming rape on what's been a running gag ever since Kotaro and Chizuru met is blowing things out of proportion.
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2012-05-21, 10:27 | Link #8476 | |
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Maybe it is just because I'm an old fart, but while I am EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED with the ending of Negima!, I understand completely why the Sports Festival arc was done. Akamatsu-sensei had time to kill before his exclusive contract with Kodansha ended, but there wasn't time to do ANY of the plots any justice, especially since it STRONGLY APPEARS that there WILL BE A SEQUEL to the manga, he did a comedy story where he could allow ALL THE GIRLS to get some screen time. Then, he closed the books with a "Negi does find his father, and the girls grow up to be fine young women" moment, which isn't satisfying since so much was skipped, but it is closure. That ending will allow him to go back and do a sequel unhindered.
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2012-05-21, 17:46 | Link #8477 | ||
Zok, Biff, Pow, Wham.
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And to be honest, the anal rape gag was bad ever since the first time it was brought up. It basically ruined Chizuru's character reducing her to an one note gag, too. Quote:
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2012-05-21, 18:13 | Link #8478 |
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the ending for Negima was a business decision not a creative one. It was a place holder while Akamatsu run out the clock on his contract. Akamatsu wasn't going to start or end any plot points because he was saving those for a sequel. People need to realize manga is a business, it is not just about art.
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2012-05-21, 20:38 | Link #8479 | |
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2012-05-21, 22:09 | Link #8480 |
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Having followed him this long, I'm used to ignoring Akamatsu's lowbrow humor ever since he tattooed the butt cheek of a minor in Love Hina so the Chizurugate never registered with me.
It only stands out because the whole story arc it appears in was olympically misplaced filler smack in the middle of Akamatsu's editorial activism getting in the way of everything else in the manga that actually mattered. |
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