2006-08-10, 01:57 | Link #101 |
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Hmmm, but.... if we follow the evolutionary path.... then it would seem that Yuki is the probably end state of evolution before ceasing to need material components for existence at all
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2006-08-10, 02:14 | Link #102 |
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Well, God can go above evolution, and since Haruhi is very, shall we say affectionate, towards Mikuru, we can safely assume that if she does get involved, everyone will evolve into her favorite toy Which of course is very nice for us males Haruhi is such a thoughtful goddess
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2006-08-10, 03:02 | Link #104 |
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I prefer the Mikuru path of evolution Plus, humans will NEVER realise there's no need for material comfort, looks or organic reproduction. That's the basis of evolution
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2006-08-10, 10:07 | Link #107 | |
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I just have no confidence in the human race, they would probably be wiped out before they have any chance to evolve in the direction of Data Entities.
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2006-08-11, 00:05 | Link #110 | |
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"I'm sorry. I......well......um......I'm not sure......I'm like......the end interface......no, the bottom......no, I'm just like a trainee......" "Yet you're by Haruhi's side." "That's because, I never thought I would be caught by Suzumiya-san to join the club." If she were Kyon's sister then she would have to know that she would end up in the club. |
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But in the first place, almost nobody ever thought of Mikuru as Kyon's sister. Most if not all were thinking she's a descendant of his sister, which I also doubt. Quote:
Then this asks another question, why in the first place would the time travellers send a helpless trainee back into the past? The answer is simple: History required her to be there. Meaning she is part of the past, she has influenced too many things in the past and thus has become an important part of the past for the future to happen. Like we were saying several posts above, Mikuru is the future of humanity, she is that important. And Kyon's sister could never have made it into the SOS-dan even if she wanted to. Kyon is 16, Imouto is 10, Kyon would have been in 2nd year or even 3rd year university before Imouto even gets into High School.
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2006-08-16, 12:59 | Link #115 |
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http://www.animesecrets.org/anime/Haruhi/Haruhi.html
Here we go, these two reviews put my views on the Series (as opposed to the novels) into perspective for everybody, better than I could personally. The guy on the top Kuzu Ryu Sen I know in person. Though the bottom reviewer Loner's last paragraph pretty well sums up everything I feel about this series quite almost too perfectly. |
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The second report by Loner made a bit more sense but "gimmicky" can be used to shred everything from Beowulf to Shakespeare in the way he is using it. He seems to have focused on the fluff rather than the central plot. He does note the animation can't be beat. I watched "The Seven Samurai (kurosawa)" and "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly" last night .... they were pretty gimmicky I find the difficulty they both had with the timeline approach kind of sad ... its a technique that has been used by a few authors to great effect (along with point-of-view fractured stories that drop you into it via first person). Faulkner, Vonnegut ... Hitchcock was very fond of similar disorienting techniques. Memory is a non-linear mess of nodes ... and this story is from Kyon's POV and recollection - who has had his world turned upside down. In the end, I suppose both are simply opinions (as is mine) -- but as they say, anyone on the Internet can have an opinion. Well supported opinions get more weight. This has me thinking I should do my own negative review of Suzumiya ... it *does* have some problems and some of the storytelling techniques are not for everyone ... but from a "speech & debate" viewpoint I'm just not seeing the negative case made well. Probably the best slam against the series is that it is a pale shadow of the novels (which also don't contain peripheral injoke fad references that the anime added).
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2006-08-24, 16:35 | Link #117 |
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Ok now...lets face it,nobody here said anything accurate about Haruhi.
NOW,since I'm not even sure whether I understood the whole plot I'd like you all to explain clearly what happens,since nobody in the whole board summed it up. Then,after giving your personal opinion,I'd like you to EXPLAIN what gives you that particular opinion...I think that's enough for more to come,right? |
2006-08-24, 17:12 | Link #118 |
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I'm not sure KyoAni *intended* there to be a pat explanation or "here's the plot in five lines" summary for the series (just like the novels tell the story from Kyon's Point Of View ... its not the universal point of view... only Kyon's).
It really depends on which level you want to examine the show from and which factional view within the show you tend to be most comfortable with. The series is like a multi-faceted jewel -- different people tend to focus on different facets. I tend to focus on the science fiction and physics aspects, the directing techniques, animation, and the acting. Many posters on the board have done pretty good jobs explaining pieces of the show and various facets (the Ontological Thread has some very good posts). So the sweeping condemnation of the entire board having said nothing accurate about Haruhi is a bit hard to defend itself.
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2006-08-24, 21:23 | Link #119 | |
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The entire anime is summarised, partially, in the 14 episode discussion threads. To understand the story even more, you must read the novels. To summarise the story, even the anime alone would be too much for a single thread, let alone a single post. The only way to get a deeper understanding of the story is to read all 14 discussion threads, the general thread and all sticky threads.
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2006-08-25, 00:25 | Link #120 |
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Actually, I think Haruhi was the best comedy series I've seen in some time. I was glad to not see it had to depend too much on typical situation humour or exaggerated expressions, and Kyon's narration made it seem as though the show was making fun of even itself, which was great. There weren't any "punchlines" as far as I was aware and the excellent and fast-paced animation contributed to its amusement. The nonchronological sequence of episodes threw me off at first though, and before I saw the series I almost considered watching it in proper order, though I'm glad to not have gone through with that (since watching episode 9 last wouldn't exactly be satisfying). Anyway, I enjoyed it overall, and it had some memorable characters and events. I do wish it were a bit longer though, but oh well.
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