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tera_ha · 2012-03-08, 03:47

new promo of the live action film
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...easer-streamed

Stokky · 2012-03-21, 09:32

Rurouni Kenshin: Shin Kyoto-Hen OVA Volume 1 was released today (on Blu-ray and DVD)

Volume 2 is now planned for August 22, 2012 (no theatrical screening ahead of the BD/DVD release?)

http://www.animekon.com/news-1476-Ru...A-2-Dated.html

Guardian Enzo · 2012-03-21, 16:13

Just watching the raw. Looks pretty good in terms of animation by DEEN standards, closer to anime than OVA style - faces still look too soft, though. Narita Ken seems to have been a good choice to step in as Saito.

But that BGM, and hearing Suzukaze Mayo again... The emotions rise up big-time.

Reckoner · 2012-03-21, 16:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guardian Enzo

Just watching the raw. Looks pretty good in terms of animation by DEEN standards, closer to anime than OVA style - faces still look too soft, though. Narita Ken seems to have been a good choice to step in as Saito.

But that BGM, and hearing Suzukaze Mayo again... The emotions rise up big-time.

Does that mean it would pass off for a modern TV series these days?

Archon_Wing · 2012-03-21, 16:19

Welcome to the 21st century, Deen. I guess.

Guardian Enzo · 2012-03-21, 17:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reckoner

Does that mean it would pass off for a modern TV series these days?

Yeah, it would. From what I can see, it looks very good in terms of pure quality. It's just that the "look" isn't especially faithful to Watsuki's look. It doesn't look cheap - just not quite right.

I wonder if any group (I think there are a couple actual groups left out there in this streaming age) will pick this up.

Kouvley · 2012-03-21, 18:10

Watched the raw. It met my rather low expectations so I thought it was ok.

A few thoughts:

Ken Narita is a very good replacement as Saito's voice, don't think they could have found much better.

The remixed BGMs sounded a bit lacking to me for some reason, they could have just used the old tracks tbh.

One major change to the story

Spoiler for spoiler:

MisaoFan · 2012-03-22, 15:51

Spoiler for Episode 1:

LoveMeKags · 2012-03-23, 11:14

Watched the OVA and decided to give a few comments.

Spoiler for OVA comments:

First, it goes in a different direction from the manga, though not entirely unfaithful to the manga. The events happen at different times and certain characters are forgotten. I blame this slightly on the amount of time they have to develop and carry out the plot of the story. Had it been a longer run (like say four or five episodes), this problem would be solved. And those who have watched the series and not read the manga, there are a LOT of changes to THAT.

Second, I love Misao this time around. In the series and manga, couldn't take her seriously. This time, her emotions are centered on entirely. A good change.

Third, the lack of character development in the footage bothers me. Despite that they said it would be told in Misao's point of view, quite a few of the characters tell there own part of the story, like Saito. And so, the lack of that development hinders my attachment to this remake.

Fourth, the animation is horrible. Don't get me wrong. The backgrounds and vibrant colors are just lovely. However, the artwork on the characters is horrible. Speaking as someone who grew up with this anime, I'd rather see the live action movie instead of this. I love the original artwork. Sadly, we don't even get to see the modern Battousai in this (gold eyes...). A little bit of a disappointment. I wonder if this OVA was rushed. Especially the scene with Chou... just spirals and kicks his ass, and it looks so bad. However, I love the fact that most (if not all with the exception of Saito) of the original VAs returned. Especially Kenshin. That's a highlight. And they kept the original speech: sessha, de gozaru yo, and oro.

Fifth and final, did my eyes deceive me? Did we nearly get a kiss between Kenshin and Kaoru in the Kyoto arc? That didn't happen in the manga. If anything, the exact opposite happened. He didn't thank her, he walked off after saying "half." It makes me wonder if Studio Deen is somehow attaching themselves to the Seisou-Hen OVA. Since the scene is like one out of that OVA, it wouldn't shock me. However, if this is to attract new viewers to see there is a romance between Kenshin and Kaoru, then I could understand. Otherwise, they don't stay faithful to the manga in that way.

tyciol · 2012-03-23, 18:39

Is this about " Requiem For The Restoration Patriots" on Ny? I don't see an (L) on this t hread, yet also don't see a tracker for whatever work(s) it is talking about...

Guardian Enzo · 2012-03-27, 11:42

I'm really shocked that no group has decided to pick this up, apparently. Given all the stature the franchise has, you'd think someone would consider it a must. This is the downside of the streaming area, I suppose - there just aren't as many true subbers as there once were.

LoveMeKags · 2012-03-27, 20:46

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Originally Posted by Guardian Enzo

I'm really shocked that no group has decided to pick this up, apparently. Given all the stature the franchise has, you'd think someone would consider it a must. This is the downside of the streaming area, I suppose - there just aren't as many true subbers as there once were.

I wouldn't start blaming the fansubbers. I don't consider it their fault. I'll explain why.

Most are afraid to pick up something that possibly may or may not be copyrighted (even if in the future) and sub it due to all the Internet issues lately like with Megaupload (which was sued by the way). Quite a few of the best fansubbers out there have just closed down their sites and left or join other smaller groups. However, since Rurouni Kenshin is still partially copyrighted here in the U.S. and most certainly in certain other countries, a sub group might not pick it up until it's already here in America with English subs and voice track. Even then, it's farfetched.

You see, it's not that the subbers are gone, it is merely because the Internet security known as these "copyright-free" bastards are stopping them from doing what they want. If they upload such content, they will be fined. And the subbers are already not paid enough.

Guardian Enzo · 2012-03-27, 21:43

Oh, I'm not blaming them - merely bemoaning the fact that there are so many fewer of them with the current landscape being what it is.

I do think the obstacles you mention haven't been enough to stop many other properties from being subbed. I think it's more a question of relatively few groups being in a position to work on Shin Kyoto-hen, and very few of those that work with older properties.

Jellal · 2012-03-28, 00:32

Been waiting two weeks, any subtitles available yet?

Guardian Enzo · 2012-03-28, 01:39

Damn, why is this in "Current"? Got my hopes up!

tera_ha · 2012-03-28, 03:28

OMG. I LOVE this. watching it raw even though i don't get the dialogue

it might be weird but osts from the earlier kenshin brought tears. i love kenshin . if only the can animate the rest of manga

LoveMeKags · 2012-03-28, 10:48

^
If they would, I'd like back the old drawing style rather than this new version.

I'd even accept - and wait for it - Seisou-hen's animation style (but never the story, oh god no).

This new style of animation (or drawing if you will) is horrible. I can tell who the characters are but the animation quality has dropped quite a bit not only on characters but fighting scenes. I always respect RK because though it was done in 1996-1998, the animation quality was great when both studios did it. Albeit, filler episodes were poorly animated with the exception of one in particular, it was a well drawn series. It stuck as close as possible in as many episodes as possible to Nobuhiro Watsuki's original drawing.

Plus, they've added things to the story that weren't originally there and twisted around pieces in the story to fit those added things. I feel like I'm watching Seisou-hen all over again except I know he won't die in the end.

Uh, wait... I shouldn't say that until I see the next OVA.

Given that Studio Deen also did Seisou-hen, I shouldn't keep too far away from that thought...

kuromitsu · 2012-03-28, 10:59

I started watching this because I like Kenshin a lot (that is, the manga and the TV series, thankyouverymuch)... well, I didn't have high hopes for it, but man, I'm at 7:54 and already my reaction is "this is bad, this is so bad, why can't they just do a proper adaptation of the bloody manga?" :/

It's the OVAs all over again, except with worse art (wtf is up with Saitou's nose??) and worse writing. No sense of playfulness to give depth and humanity to the tragedies, no sense of humor whatsoever (come on, it's Misao!), overwrought music (I loved the OST of the first OVA series but the later ones are painful), pretentiousness, and... basically, this is not Kenshin. :/ This is like an original project based loosely on Watsuki's manga and his characters.

Ah well, going to make some food and resume watching... I hope it'll get better. -_-) If only the writing was good, but no - I am familiar with Kenshin but even so the intro was confusing and choppy.

LoveMeKags · 2012-03-28, 11:30

^
Nope, it won't get better. But if you grin and bear it, there is one Kenshin and Kaoru scene to look forward too.

And the ironic part about what you said, kuromitsu, is that Studio Deen did do the OVAs. Except Tsuioku-hen was just beautiful at animation and story, albeit still having some plot holes. However, Seisou-hen doesn't live up to its other half. And the only thing to love about it was the animation.

If you get through the whole OVA (the one out now), then you'll probably see the same things I do about the plot and story changes from the anime and manga itself. At least the series was faithful to the manga in the Kyoto arc. It sickens me to see them do this remake. They did better with Seisou-hen at going through the previous story arcs. Now, had they not killed Kenshin off, then that would've been nice.

kuromitsu · 2012-03-28, 13:38

>LoveMeKags
Actually, I didn't like Tsuiokuhen either. ^^;; The music was pretty but the rest was just not the Kenshin I knew and loved. It was still much better than Seisouhen (let's just not get into how I feel about that piece of... OVA).

As for this... thing... that we have here... I've watched it and I'm sorry to say that LoveMeKags was right, it didn't get any better. If anything, it got worse.

Spoiler for ep 1:

Long story short - I'm not watching the rest of this OVA, and if they want to animate the second arc of the manga with this staff I'd rather it doesn't get animated at all.

Spoiler for sex:

2012-03-08, 03:47	Link #461
tera_ha Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010	new promo of the live action film http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...easer-streamed __________________ My Top 10 Favourite Anime

2012-03-21, 18:10	Link #467
Kouvley Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: UK, London	Watched the raw. It met my rather low expectations so I thought it was ok. A few thoughts: Ken Narita is a very good replacement as Saito's voice, don't think they could have found much better. The remixed BGMs sounded a bit lacking to me for some reason, they could have just used the old tracks tbh. One major change to the story Spoiler for spoiler: Shishio kills Usui, not sure who Saito is going to fight later on...

2012-03-23, 11:14	Link #469
LoveMeKags #1 Ranka Fan!! Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: USA Age: 32	Watched the OVA and decided to give a few comments. Spoiler for OVA comments: First, it goes in a different direction from the manga, though not entirely unfaithful to the manga. The events happen at different times and certain characters are forgotten. I blame this slightly on the amount of time they have to develop and carry out the plot of the story. Had it been a longer run (like say four or five episodes), this problem would be solved. And those who have watched the series and not read the manga, there are a LOT of changes to THAT. Second, I love Misao this time around. In the series and manga, couldn't take her seriously. This time, her emotions are centered on entirely. A good change. Third, the lack of character development in the footage bothers me. Despite that they said it would be told in Misao's point of view, quite a few of the characters tell there own part of the story, like Saito. And so, the lack of that development hinders my attachment to this remake. Fourth, the animation is horrible. Don't get me wrong. The backgrounds and vibrant colors are just lovely. However, the artwork on the characters is horrible. Speaking as someone who grew up with this anime, I'd rather see the live action movie instead of this. I love the original artwork. Sadly, we don't even get to see the modern Battousai in this (gold eyes...). A little bit of a disappointment. I wonder if this OVA was rushed. Especially the scene with Chou... just spirals and kicks his ass, and it looks so bad. However, I love the fact that most (if not all with the exception of Saito) of the original VAs returned. Especially Kenshin. That's a highlight. And they kept the original speech: sessha, de gozaru yo, and oro. Fifth and final, did my eyes deceive me? Did we nearly get a kiss between Kenshin and Kaoru in the Kyoto arc? That didn't happen in the manga. If anything, the exact opposite happened. He didn't thank her, he walked off after saying "half." It makes me wonder if Studio Deen is somehow attaching themselves to the Seisou-Hen OVA. Since the scene is like one out of that OVA, it wouldn't shock me. However, if this is to attract new viewers to see there is a romance between Kenshin and Kaoru, then I could understand. Otherwise, they don't stay faithful to the manga in that way. __________________

2012-03-28, 03:28	Link #476
tera_ha Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010	OMG. I LOVE this. watching it raw even though i don't get the dialogue it might be weird but osts from the earlier kenshin brought tears. i love kenshin . if only the can animate the rest of manga __________________ My Top 10 Favourite Anime

2012-03-28, 10:48	Link #477
LoveMeKags #1 Ranka Fan!! Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: USA Age: 32	^ If they would, I'd like back the old drawing style rather than this new version. I'd even accept - and wait for it - Seisou-hen's animation style (but never the story, oh god no). This new style of animation (or drawing if you will) is horrible. I can tell who the characters are but the animation quality has dropped quite a bit not only on characters but fighting scenes. I always respect RK because though it was done in 1996-1998, the animation quality was great when both studios did it. Albeit, filler episodes were poorly animated with the exception of one in particular, it was a well drawn series. It stuck as close as possible in as many episodes as possible to Nobuhiro Watsuki's original drawing. Plus, they've added things to the story that weren't originally there and twisted around pieces in the story to fit those added things. I feel like I'm watching Seisou-hen all over again except I know he won't die in the end. Uh, wait... I shouldn't say that until I see the next OVA. Given that Studio Deen also did Seisou-hen, I shouldn't keep too far away from that thought... __________________

2012-03-21, 09:32	Link #462
Stokky Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2008	Rurouni Kenshin: Shin Kyoto-Hen OVA Volume 1 was released today (on Blu-ray and DVD) Volume 2 is now planned for August 22, 2012 (no theatrical screening ahead of the BD/DVD release?) http://www.animekon.com/news-1476-Ru...A-2-Dated.html

2012-03-23, 18:39	Link #470
tyciol Senior Member Artist Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Canada	Is this about " Requiem For The Restoration Patriots" on Ny? I don't see an (L) on this t hread, yet also don't see a tracker for whatever work(s) it is talking about...

2012-03-28, 00:32	Link #474
Jellal Anime Critic Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: California	Been waiting two weeks, any subtitles available yet?

2012-03-28, 10:59	Link #478
kuromitsu Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004	I started watching this because I like Kenshin a lot (that is, the manga and the TV series, thankyouverymuch)... well, I didn't have high hopes for it, but man, I'm at 7:54 and already my reaction is "this is bad, this is so bad, why can't they just do a proper adaptation of the bloody manga?" :/ It's the OVAs all over again, except with worse art (wtf is up with Saitou's nose??) and worse writing. No sense of playfulness to give depth and humanity to the tragedies, no sense of humor whatsoever (come on, it's Misao!), overwrought music (I loved the OST of the first OVA series but the later ones are painful), pretentiousness, and... basically, this is not Kenshin. :/ This is like an original project based loosely on Watsuki's manga and his characters. Ah well, going to make some food and resume watching... I hope it'll get better. -_-) If only the writing was good, but no - I am familiar with Kenshin but even so the intro was confusing and choppy.

2012-03-28, 11:30	Link #479
LoveMeKags #1 Ranka Fan!! Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: USA Age: 32	^ Nope, it won't get better. But if you grin and bear it, there is one Kenshin and Kaoru scene to look forward too. And the ironic part about what you said, kuromitsu, is that Studio Deen did do the OVAs. Except Tsuioku-hen was just beautiful at animation and story, albeit still having some plot holes. However, Seisou-hen doesn't live up to its other half. And the only thing to love about it was the animation. If you get through the whole OVA (the one out now), then you'll probably see the same things I do about the plot and story changes from the anime and manga itself. At least the series was faithful to the manga in the Kyoto arc. It sickens me to see them do this remake. They did better with Seisou-hen at going through the previous story arcs. Now, had they not killed Kenshin off, then that would've been nice. __________________

2012-03-28, 13:38	Link #480
kuromitsu Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004	>LoveMeKags Actually, I didn't like Tsuiokuhen either. ^^;; The music was pretty but the rest was just not the Kenshin I knew and loved. It was still much better than Seisouhen (let's just not get into how I feel about that piece of... OVA). As for this... thing... that we have here... I've watched it and I'm sorry to say that LoveMeKags was right, it didn't get any better. If anything, it got worse. Spoiler for ep 1: I mean, look, I'm not a purist. I'm not against adaptations and reinterpretations, hell, I even enjoy them... as long as they're not crapping all over the original. Which this episode did. It's like the writers are saying, "well, we've read the manga but we thought it wasn't serious and mature enough, so we made it darker and edgier!! look, it has sex and more angst and shit!" I already hated this attitude in Seisouhen and I hate it here. Seriously, as I said above, this is not Kenshin, it's an original project very loosely based on Kenshin. The writing is crap, pure and simple. First it depends on the audience already knowing everything, and then it decides to throw all that out and rewrite the entire thing from scratch, leaving only some bare bones from the original. I could understand cutting and rearranging things to fit the story into the allotted time, but this is going much further than that - they're basically rewriting the story to make it fit their own purposes. And even with that aside, it's exposition after exposition after exposition, I can barely recognize some of the characters (Misao, Yumi, what have they done to you! good thing that Aoshi barely had any personality to begin with...), and the whole thing is basically just a loosely connected string of events that may converge in the future, with the writing staff hoping that someone will give a damn at that point. The music is painful. It's by the guy who did the music to the series, but it tries to be way too epic and gets in the way of scenes, demanding attention... also it's just cheesy and melodramatic. And to add insult to injury, they had Shishio kill Usui, robbing Saitou of one of his most awesome moments, and they left out Houji, one of my favorite characters. Long story short - I'm not watching the rest of this OVA, and if they want to animate the second arc of the manga with this staff I'd rather it doesn't get animated at all. Spoiler for sex: Btw, as for the sex scene, as a woman I can only say - ouch! OUCH! NO NO DO NOT WANT!! At least in the manga and the series I could pretend they were doing it in some other way, somehow. ^^;; Last edited by kuromitsu; 2012-03-28 at 13:51.