2012-04-04, 20:10 | Link #441 | ||
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Look no further than its treatment of Lucemon and Lilithmon for an example of how Xros Wars nerfed enemy digimon to make our protagonists win. Those two digimon separately have the power to destroy a world and for Lucemon fall down mode and Chaos mode to be nerfed the way he was just just sad. When you do something like this it isn't experience when the writer brought down his enemy to his level. Quote:
Well that's you, the Xros system itself is full of holes, and lacks rules. Trust me Bandai will treat this the same way they treated Armor and Spirit evolution, they will assign Shoutmon and all his forms a level, and then they will abandon it. Because the writer himself didn't define his own system, or at least didn't know how to add rules to it, since in Xros Wars it didn't have any rules. This is the reason I don't prefer it. And for the record Xros War's explanation for super evolution was the description for normal evolution. What I'm saying is this Digi Xros is ill defined at best, which isn't helped by the fact that the "higher level" digimon were made weaker in this season in order to make the protagonist appear stronger. It did not properly handle the showcasing of experience, and strategy being triumphant over raw power. |
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2012-04-05, 02:53 | Link #442 |
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They weren't made weaker, this was a different universe, so there is no reason for their power level to be different...
You know, I didn't even want to start this argument. I was just trying to say that Super Evolution was nerfed between Xros Wars and Xros Hunters >_> How is "Fast-forwarding one's form to one they will have hundreds of years from now" and "Advancing one level" the same thing? They are completely different. |
2012-04-05, 05:18 | Link #443 | |
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It's not exactly the same, but it's damn similar. You take a digimon and turn it into the form it will achieve later naturally, this sudden change being temporary. (heck, I can make it sound exactly the same...) (and i'm not buying the Zeekgreymon case. His super-evolution needs for him to be x-cross with Metalbirdramon in order to work.) |
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2012-04-05, 07:49 | Link #444 | |
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Xros Wars is the only season to not pay attention to this. Actually super evolution was really just means jumping from child level(rookie) to Ultimate level (Mega). The digimon would have likely evolved into that form on their own with the passage of time anyway. The actual strength doesn't come from the type of evolution but the digimon itself, ergo if a digimon has a weak ultimate form then that evolved form will be a weak ultimate digimon. Its a general digimon rule that the type of evolution itself doesn't provide any digimon with more or less power. It is considering that normal evolution is basically aging for digimon, a digimon evolves from adult to perfect through strength and experience, and from perfect to ulitmate with even more so, as well as special conditions. |
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2012-04-05, 08:02 | Link #445 | |
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It kinda bothered me how Mamomyotismons and Venomyotismons were getting one shotted left and right... So I won't bother to bring up bad memories of this show concerning the nerfing and buffing of crap. |
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2012-04-05, 09:11 | Link #446 |
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Except Shoutmon clearly isn't a child level digimon. And levels don't even exist in Xros Wars. But lets just agree to disagree on that point.
So what about the part where I said "Super Evolution was nerfed inbetween Wars and Hunters"? |
2012-04-05, 10:01 | Link #447 | |
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Again super evolution is really just Child(rookie) skipped to Ultimate(mega), an Agumon who uses super evolution to become Wargreymon isn't any stronger than a Metalgreymon who evolves into a Wargreymon. Evolution in digimon isn't just an indication of level but also of age and experience, its the digimon equivalent of growing up. It seems more like the head writer for Xros Wars actually looked up super evolution before he did Xros Hunters. |
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2012-04-05, 12:16 | Link #448 |
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That's how it would be outside of the Xros universe. But this is still the Xros universe where digimon have genders and can have parents and evolution is a gradual process (rather than an instant one) that takes centuries.
So basically what you are saying is, the whole effort that Taiki and Kiriha had to go through to attain their Super Evolution is cheapened because the writer looked it up? Seriously can't we just agree to disagree? |
2012-04-05, 19:38 | Link #449 |
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Again I'm not talking about just the Xros universe or about evolution in general I'm talking about the bad writing decisions. Though Xros universe breaks a hell of a lot of digimon franchise rules, so much to the point where one can say that its digimon season in name only, and funnily enough its manga counterpart doesn't break half as many rules.
Or maybe the writer was just a bad writer, and never once stopped to even think about the system that he was creating and using. |
2012-04-06, 07:55 | Link #451 | |
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You are entitled to your own opinions but when you share those opinions on forums its likely that you'll come across those who don't agree with you. |
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2012-04-06, 12:38 | Link #452 |
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I'm fine with people disagreeing with me, sorry if I made it seem that way.
Anyway I personally kind of like the changes. It's different. I like different. Don't get me wrong, I like the same too. But different is like, a change of scenery. |
2012-04-07, 04:05 | Link #455 |
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Oh well in the end this should put to bed the Xros system. It was good for a series, but can't imagine they will carry it on past this point. I had mixed feelings about the system really. It did allow for some interesting combinations and avoid having some digimon in the group completely vanish (well until the super evolution came into the picture). It had some flexibility for different situations. Of course didn't really like how ambiguous it made things. You really couldn't get a feel for how strong anyone was. Can see how some might like that, but I just preferred the usual leveled system.
By itself I'd probably give the first season a solid spot in the overall digimon rankings. Though I'll also say that Hunters managed to drop itself right into the basement.
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