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a) Jean was already mortally wounded, she had I don't know, couple hours left or less. You can't kill a dead man b) Clare warned her that if she comes any closer she will cut her in half. That's the same situation when someone is setting mine field, tells someone not to go there and he goes there anyway. Would you call him murderer? In Priscilla's case it was premeditated murder and a low one too. She faked that she wanted to be killed, she was a cowardly, envious and conniving/scheming/tricky, definitely not stupid young woman (not child). The motive for killing Teresa was that she was more powerful than her, jealousy and pride, these were her sins. But then after a while her memories receded and she bacame a child again and now she acts all innocent. Quote:
I think that when Priscilla unblocks her memories, she will become even more ruthless than Isley and Riful ever were (look at her behaviour just after killing Teresa). That would be interesting. Personally I'm not interested in a monster which doesn't even realise what he's doing, that's why Riful is the most interesting Awakened Being in my eyes. At the moment most of the people wouldn't like Priscilla to be the main boss, but if she "awakened", that would be different matter, I hope Raki goes his own way and it will trigger sth unwanted :] . The organization won't be main adversary, IMO - the world with them around is scary and dangerous, but the world without them would be even worse and claymores are aware of that. Otherwise rebellion would had happend a long time ago. |
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2007-09-07, 04:21 | Link #82 |
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Was a good extra scene, a little more insight into why she is like she is is good thing.
Was it just me or does her body or her arms atleast, from the way she attacked Isley, seem to be of similar construction to Rifle, ribbons and all that. Could make fighting her, and killing her a little difficult if it extends to the core parts of her body. Was also interesting the comment from Rigardo that her body seems to be just a shield for an immense amount of power, and when she is wounded it comes rushing out, I may have misinterpreted that part though. As it could be just a reference to Prisc reacting subconsciously when damaged and her powers are unleashed.
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2007-09-07, 08:29 | Link #83 | ||||
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The truth is we cant know, and you are making an assumption. Quote:
Your statement that she was the strongest Claymore of all time is proof enough that people would consider her undefeatable in straight up combat. Quote:
YOU may not be interested in Priscilla because of the way she is, and prefer she becomes the sterotypical Big Bad End Boss, but I personally think that is boring. Riful is great, because she is Riful, I do not want Priscilla to turn into Riful just because it would make her a better end boss. I have said it before but i'll state it again, how do we know Priscilla is the end boss? Quote:
I would not be so quick to say the Claymore's would rebel, they are brought into the Organization at a young age, and judging by some of their attitudes, the Organization has a reasonably good indoctrination program. The reason these people do not rebel is because they know that not everyone shares their rebellious thoughts. and in the case of many of them, they WANT to keep killing Yoma, even if the Organization is the cause of bigger problems.
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2007-09-07, 09:00 | Link #84 |
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One thing is for sure - this story is one of the (if not THE) most beautiful work the mangaka has created for this series. The large/full page images of Rigald, Isley, and Priscilla are amazing. Priscilla's awakened form must be a b#$%^ to draw! Those wings and her face/head are so detailed... in the words of Rigald: superb!
And I personally think this is the best of the extra scenes to date. It reveals Isley's motivation for amassing the awakened beings, a subplot that has driven the main storyline since Riful's introduction - and whose fallout completely reorganized the balance of power in the Claymore world. Great stuff. |
2007-09-07, 09:54 | Link #85 |
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To quote an idea from Soul Calibur II, Priscilla is Clare's 'Destined Battle'. They are on a crash course with each other and the only one that can get in the way of that is Raki. They are gonna have it out, one way or the other. Priscilla will be dealt with eventually but I highly doubt if anyone would say that Priscilla is the most pressing matter at hand right now in the grand scheme of things, especially with Raki keeping her content right now.
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2007-09-07, 10:08 | Link #86 | |
Priscilla`s inner voice
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And the winner takes it all!! The loser has to fall!! "Sings" Easley will go far in his singiging career. |
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2007-09-07, 13:13 | Link #87 | ||||
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Priscilla: I will kill you ! I will never forgive you ! I will kill you ! .... My papa was so kind to me, give me back my papa ! [tries to kill Teresa again with sudden attack] <few minutes later she forgets that she wanted to kill her, lol> Priscilla: Please, kill me while I still have a shred of humanity [notice the strange change in font, that's not random, it obviously states she wasn't sincere and shows Teresa's naiveness and stupidity at that moment] Quote:
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All depends on how it's served. For me stupid would be redemption and forgiveness to Priscilla. Destroying the organization would be a pointless thing to do. Anyone who would want that, should be prepared to spill claymore's blood, if that was made by AB I would understand, but by other claymores (i.e fab 7) it just doesn't seem right. Exposing to the people their real faces is another thing, but that wouldn't be too flashy. I didn't mean to change her to Riful but the way she was just after awakening, that doesn't seem like Riful to me. Quote:
We are like organization, we make our lives easier, but pollute air and destroy nature, does it mean that all should live like Amish ? The payment for what claymores are doing is adequate, only once we saw that they overdid when Teresa demanded double payment. I don't think anyone would prefer not paying and be eaten by yoma. Also you're writing sth about good indoctrination program. Fab 7 and all that were in Pieta are proof of that . Alicia, Beth and Priscilla followed them only because they couldn't think by themselves (read: they were too stupid), but others are just soldiers not puppets. Even such devoted warrior as Audrey revealed confidential information to Miria. |
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So yes, you are assuming things, and Teresa never underestimated Rosemary, she toyed with Rosemary, she knew victory was assured, and flaunted it. Quote:
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Thankfully you dont seem to think so, but many others do not see it that way, I think your having a hard time understanding my point here. Quote:
The only thing I am excited over is the fact that she isn't faking her madness, she really is innocent, at least as innocent as a human eating natural disaster can be. and who the hell said anything about redemption and forgiveness? Quote:
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What I has been implied is this; Priscilla is like a monstrous child, her words could very well have a double meaning, it is possible she honestly meant that Irene shouldn't leave something as important as her arm lying around. She also did not want Irene and the others to kill her, so she defender herself instead. Quote:
and they still do prey on humans openly. The organization's interest definitely does not coincide with making our lives easier. Quote:
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Seems like the Organization did damn well in stomping out that potential problem, and with the profit of slowing down an AB force. Also the 3 devout followers you mentioned were powerhouses you know. They alone would be more then enough to discourage a vast majority of people from rebelling, especially openly. Audrey also owed the 7 Ghosts her life, and she still denied them alot of the important information they wanted, Miria only got information out of Audrey because she read her like a book. Audrey only gave information to Clare, and stated that she would be their enemies the next time they met. Sounds like pretty decent indoctrination to me. P.S. I love debates like this
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2007-09-07, 14:05 | Link #89 | |
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Also I belive the immediatly awakened Priss has to have a compleatly different personality from the current Priss. One does not go from "I'll slowly eat them alive." to "Why is everyone acting so scared? I'm just eating what I like." One is compleatly aware of the fact that what she's doing will kill people, and revels in it, and the other has no grasp of the deaths that will resualt, and thus cannot comprehend everyones terror.
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2007-09-07, 15:23 | Link #91 |
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And what's wrong with forgiving Priscilla??? Forgiveness for her is the only redemption she has left. Forgiving her doesn't excuse her from her crimes, but it does release her from the shame and guilt of those crimes. If I'm reading anime Priscilla correctly, if and when she remembers who she is and what she's done - Raki's and subsequetly Clare's forgiveness could mean a peaceful quiet passing for her or a violent, bloody death along with the deaths of those falling to kill her.
...wait a minute ...most people here want a 'violent, bloody death' for what she did to their Teresa... :sigh: And before anyone starts on how she deserves the worst death possible, think about how much work that would take for one (ie. look what Clare's had to go through), and two, just what sort of person would that make you if you keep on insisting on exacting 'eye for an eye' on Priscilla after all these years? These questions are what I believe Clare will have to face in the future because of this. I'm not saying she deserves to be spared from death, but she doesn't deserve all the hate from killing Teresa because that's exactly what Clare's hunting her for. Clare is not a saint for trying to kill Priscilla. She didn't start out fighting for the people in all those towns that Priscilla killed and ruined - that was just extra baggage/justification to her. All the justification she needed was that Priscilla killed Teresa - end of story. Even though she's taken on Ilene's and Ophelia's vengance and added them to her own, it still doesn't make the quest a good one. Revenge is always petty - no matter how good the reasons because you'll always end up doing to other people exactly what's been done to you and you'll end up just like the people you try and get revenge on. Who really wins in that case? If one fights for more than just revenge, then I can understand and get behind that. If you've read the manga past the Invasion of Pieta, you'll understand Miria's reasoning for fighting Clare again. Well, that's what I think of it but I'll wait until Priscilla 'remembers' everything again, then pass 'final judgement' on her on that note.
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2007-09-07, 15:49 | Link #92 | |
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Pris DESERVES the same painful fate that led to Clare's volunteering to be a yoma in the first place, It's NOT only about what she did to Teresa. It;s the effect of Priscilla's EXISTENCE that is the heart of the series. Utter destruction of Priscilla will NOt bring back Teresa but where's the sense of justice in that if she didn't meet her demise in the end?
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2007-09-07, 16:15 | Link #93 | |
Priscilla`s inner voice
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Justice serves to correct, not to punish. Let nature run freely, revenge wonīt bring Clare more strenght either. If sheīs lucky she might kill her, or she might kill Clare. Didnīt you people say this is a tragedy? THEN LET US SEE THAT TRAGEDY! You want revenge for Teresa, thatīs selfish considering how much people died in more horrible ways because of Prscilla rampage but do you care? Do you even think that Priscilla must be stopped because of that? NO...You want Priscilla dead because she killed Teresa..the rest can go to hell. You people wouldnīt nice Judges though. You have feelings while I, lost them a long time. |
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Clare's shown herself consistently willing to go out of her way to save people, so I don't buy the claims that her quest for vengeance dehumanized her. And no, I don't attribute to Raki the credit for her compassionate nature. The only thing he did was recognize it, but it was there before he came around, and after he left. So what if Clare's moved by vengeance? Priscilla deserves to die, and Clare isn't turning into the monster she's fighting (though there have been a few close calls). That's what matters. Quote:
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2007-09-07, 16:26 | Link #95 |
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I never really agreed with Priscilla being forgiven by the end of the series, although Priscilla herself may desire it near the end.
I personally think she is just incapable of being killed now. It might be possible that Clare finds that, no matter what she does, Priscilla is just beyond her ability to kill. Claymore is a shounen above all else, and that means themes such as forgivness are not impossible, and themes of tragedy do not automatically make forgiveness impossible, but by the end of the series, I think either Priscilla will be dead, or Clare will be. Now that would be a tragic ending. Edit: I find myself agreeing, somewhat, with Defiled one. Clare's quest, like it or not, is one of simple petty revenge, Priscilla is indeed a monster, and it sure would be nice if she did not stay around to kill people, but then again it would be real nice if natural disasters stopped killing people too. (yeah yeah I am sure you guys will pick that apart.) To Negativedark: That is kind of what I ment about instinctual, I was refering to her Yoma half, but I suppose I was not to clear on that >.< thanks for helping me clear that up.
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2007-09-07, 16:26 | Link #96 | |
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2007-09-07, 16:32 | Link #97 | |
I disagree with you all.
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2007-09-07, 16:34 | Link #98 |
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Still not seeing Priscilla as a Loli, Riful/Miata are the only Loli's I really acknowledge in Claymore
Edit: To respond to hollywoodlou; Priscilla is actually living quite the painful life right now, she is suffering in the fact she is mentally a child searching for a family she will never find, and now she is being used as a tool by one of the most powerful creatures around, despite the fact she herself is much stronger. Priscilla is now basically a child that has no sense of direction, no sense of purpose other then to find her lost family. Her living is actually much more painful then anything Clare could probably do to her. and I am not too sure if Teresa would approve of Clare's quest now either.
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2007-09-07, 16:39 | Link #99 |
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@ Anh Minh: I'm not a loli lover. I'd rather have legal, thanks... and you have done nothing to disprove my point that people who want Priscilla dead are violent bloodthirsty berserkers.
@ Fenir: You're forgetting Loli!Claire, everyone's favorite Teresa partner. :eyeroll: |
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