2009-08-31, 05:13 | Link #601 | |
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My guess is that he was roped in by promises of money for treating his sick grandkid, and all he had to do was come to the island for the family conference and lie about Kinzo's health... I see it as unlikely that he's a killer simply because it looks a lot like he's kept alive at someone else's convenience. At first it's important to have a doctor on board to verify that those dead bodies are really dead bodies (have you been paid off to do that too, Nanjo?), but later, it's more helpful to spread panic, and people panic more when they have a lack of facts to reason from. |
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2009-08-31, 07:31 | Link #602 |
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I think you guys are quite cruel. Battler is trying his best not to suspect anyone, and you want practically everyone to be the culprit XD
Plus I think this thing about Nanjo's grandchild is ridiculous. This is Japan we are talking about, why do you think you need huge amount of money to receive health care for life-threatening conditions? Medical insurance is compulsory and it should cover everything. Not to mention the fact that that child's father is the head of an hospital and should have access to any medical resource available. Plus that child's father seems to have high moral standards, so much that he refused to take 100 million yen. How would he accept any kind of suspicious money? I place my bet on a single culprit, max 2-3 including accomplices.
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2009-08-31, 16:01 | Link #603 | |
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I'm formulating a final theory (well, it's more of a detailed elaboration of Jan-Poo's theory, but whatever) and I have a question over one scene I heard about the fifth episode (as I have not played it yet):
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2009-08-31, 16:49 | Link #605 |
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That certainly, but not only that. Because Battler long before realizing everything, he already understood that Beatrice wanted him to find something in a very elaborated way, even though she could tell him directly.
So that reaction can't be justified only by that. Anyway that "baka yaroo" was directed to "Beatrice", almost certainly. The truth that he finds out is... everything. According to Lamdadelta Battler understood every single thing of the gameboard already. But I wonder if that's really true °°; He certainly understood everything concerning Beatrice, but did he understand how everything was done?
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2009-08-31, 17:36 | Link #606 | |
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Although I think that we have more possibilities for the 'trap' Ryukishi mentioned. 1) Nanjo. That is we all assume he's an accomplice because he's the doctor - what if he's a red herring all together? 2) Asumu. What if she never actually died? Battler never states how she died exactly - what if Rudolf just told him she had died and refused to let him see the body. This means that Asumu was banged up so badly Battler shouldn't have been allowed to see or that she never died to begin with. |
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2009-08-31, 17:55 | Link #607 | |
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Maybe the killer tried to strike six years ago, but failed? Maybe the killer is linked to Asumu? I have a feeling that Asumu is much more important than we think. Darn, "six years ago" is going to be to Umineko what "three years ago" is to Haruhi...xD |
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2009-09-03, 02:07 | Link #609 |
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No, you can check the polls here:
http://07th-expansion.net/ninnki.htm
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2009-09-03, 05:39 | Link #611 | |
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I really do think that Battler understood not only Beatrice's reason, but especially the futility of her action, regarding what he found out...which may be the reason to call her an idiot. Maybe he found out, that Beatrice was doing all this not for her, but for a special loved one (Kinzou, Battler...maybe the entire family) and that she could have just told him that. I don't know how far one can interpret the ending of Episode 5 (Tsubasa), but I think it wasn't played at the end for nothing (at least dai and the other interpreters seem to know some stuff). Spoiler for For long lyrics and translation:
I know it's not always a good idea to take songs into account when it comes to interpretations, but so far they always seemed to fit, when it came to the When they Cry series'. So maybe it is important for Battler to 'recollect his crime' and remember his own sin and it is not possible to Beatrice to easily tell him...the purgatory aspect of Umineko is rather high, and while Higurashi was about innocent people toyed around by the wheels of fate, Umineko may be about people burdened with sin who work toward their own demise. Maybe it was not even the fact the the solution is so simple which drove Battler into doing what he did...maybe he found out that his family IS that horrible and that he finds it unacceptable that Beatrice suffered for people like them.
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2009-09-03, 05:41 | Link #612 |
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Thanks for the poll link. =3 The 'most suspicious person' one is interesting, too. (Also, are the polls official? I don't think I've seen Battler referred to as 'meta Battler' officially before. .____.)
And, as I'm in this thread, thank you to all the people who have been posting summaries/explanations about episode 5. It's much appreciated. 8D Seems like this episode's more confusing than the last one, especially with the boundary between the meta world and the gameboard. ; |
2009-09-03, 07:15 | Link #614 | |
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The lyrics of the songs are certainly important, think about "senza amore la verità non si vede" (without love the truth cannot be seen), you can hear it in the very first opening of Ep1 and on ep5 it became a central theme. I also think the lyrics of "yakusoku" should be examined carefully. Excluding "happy maria" whose lyrics are only there for choreographic purpose, yakusoku is the only singed song that plays in the middle of the game, and it plays in one of the most important scenes of the whole story. So reading both the lyrics of Tsubasa (hope ver) and Yakusoku, you can understand that the sin is all about a broken promise that was forgotten, but for the other party "never changed" for a long time.
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In the anime op there are these lines that I was thinking about even before ep5 was out Quote:
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2009-09-03, 09:57 | Link #616 | |
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2009-09-03, 10:32 | Link #617 | |
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Anyway, gonna try to decipher the lyrics of the game OP now. EDIT: Okay, anime OP. Spoiler for Long Text thing lol:
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2009-09-03, 13:39 | Link #618 |
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Good, but yet again do not compare the lyrics to EP 5. The song was written and produced long before EP 5 came out - saying Shikata or whoever wrote the lyrics made it that way to foreshadow to EP 5 is impossible because the game wasn't even out yet.
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