2004-03-07, 19:30 | Link #23 | |
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2004-03-07, 21:28 | Link #24 |
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Tsuname definitly makes the point that both Naruto and Yondaime look alike and Naruto and Jiraiya have the same kind of personality minus the perverted stuff from Jiraiya. I am assuming that Yondaime was probably the same as Jiraiya but that deduction doesn't lead to either Theory being right. I would just find it more a plot twist that Naruto is Yondaime Reincarnation like Darth Revan in Knights of the Old Replublic. Just bein his son doesnt sound as cool to me but heh i aint the writer heheh.
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2004-03-07, 21:36 | Link #25 | |
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if Naruto turned out to be just a baby who they used to seal the Kyubi and he wasn't in no way related to the 4th that would be more of a plot twist since everyone seems to think he is related in some way to the 4th |
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2004-03-07, 21:43 | Link #27 |
4th Hokage 四代目火影
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haha but it cant be Yondaime in child form cuz Naruto was already born XD Anyways even tho its cliche I still like the whole father son idea but twists can always be nice too so I can't wait to see what they have in store !
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2004-03-07, 21:47 | Link #28 | |
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2004-03-07, 21:55 | Link #29 |
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I think Naruto looks stunningly like Jiraiya. For example, look at this pic http://www.narutoex.com/donotlink/sc...p53/053108.jpg
if you imagine Naruto having longer hair....he would look like Jiraiya almost completly. |
2004-03-08, 00:15 | Link #30 |
As a WHM I help people
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Bastok, Vana'diel
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ok i think this needs to be straightened out, when the person who performs the seal dies, the thing inside is not released, it is lost, because in the manga
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2007-01-15, 22:08 | Link #33 | |
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2007-01-15, 23:42 | Link #35 | |
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------------------------------------------------- I for one tend to believe that Naruto is indeed just a reincarnation of Yondaime. ----Side Note----(maybe I should post this elsewhere...) If, after performing the Shiki Fuujin, the souls of the two are trapped forever in the belly of the Death God, why would Sandaime have had to try to stop the 4th from being ressurection via Orochimaru's kinjutsu. I mean, technically, wouldn't the 4th's soul be inaccessable to any type of summon? |
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2007-01-16, 15:27 | Link #37 |
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Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Hidden Village of Sake
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I think that the most likely explanation is this:
the summoning of the Death God is a kind of summoning, just like other summons, however this is special because of the special summoned entity. Just like Oro's Edo Tensei, where he does not summon an animal but a dead human. As we know a Death God in manga/anime is the one who takes the souls to another world, and he cannot be controlled by humans in normal condition (Abnormal is what we see in Death Note). So the condition to control it is that the summoner must give his life in exchange for controlling the Death God, so that the summoner can use death god just like other summons can be used, also the condition must be fulfilled even if the summoner does not suceed using the death god to make the jutsu. We can call this condition also the contract made with the summoned entity, we saw already a how did Naruto make contract to summon frogs. With this logic we see that the possible outcomes of using the Death God can be many, so the users can have various jutsu or even combination of jutsu in which he uses the Death God. In the case of Sandaime he pulled out almost 3 souls, he combined a simple kage bunshin with a simple soul dragging. I say simple becuase he used taijutsu to actually catch the opponent ( 1st & 2nd hokage and Oro ), while it's clear that Yondaime could not simply catch Kyuubi like that but had to use a much more tricky way. Also Yondaime used a newborn baby while he was fighting the biggest known monster, so it's clear that he had to use various high level jutsu to finally make good use of the summoned Death God. It were Itachi's words that made me think about this, he said to Kisame that they wouldn't be able to kill Jiraiya and survive that, not even if they increased their numbers. I was thinking back then "what the hell, is he saying they could all die even if whole akatsuki attacked Jiraiya?!". So i could come up only with a theory about Jiraiya knowning the Death God and using a kagebunshin like Sandaime did. With the Death God Sandaime defeated 3 hokage level people, and if he was not so old (and Jiraiya is not so old yet) he would have killed them all. I cannot think of any other method how would Jiraiya be able to defeat even the whole akatsuki coming at him together. And this theory implies that the Death God can be used in many different ways, the only certain thing is that when the Death God summon disappears it will drag the summoner's soul with it. This also means that Yondaime was able to seal the Kyuubi anywhere he wanted to (even to an object, like Shukaku was), so that Naruto does not have to Yondaime's clone or reincarnation. |
2007-01-16, 17:13 | Link #38 |
Akatsuki Bart is Tobi
Join Date: Oct 2006
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Look I'm going to say it. All of the descriptions of what goes on with the death god summoning jutsu are wrong. Here's why. Its impossible to give an accurate descriptionn. If you do the jutsu, you're dead. You can't come back and tell people what happened to each soul; that this soul went there and this soul went here. You also can't know before you actually do the jutsu.
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2007-01-16, 23:23 | Link #39 |
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Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Indonesia, the country of multiple cultural backgrounds...visit my country guys. It's very beutiful.
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THere is one thing for sure about this ninjutsu, the third mentioned that only one who made contract with the shikigami could see it...does this also mean that the only soul that could be used as a tribute is the soul of the one who summons it forth...this is a very complicated issue actually...there are alternative and different perspectives about the effect of the jutsu on Yondaime sama:
-Yondaime summoned the god of death, used his soul as a tribute, seals Kyuubi inside him...but because kyuubi is a Youma, immortal short to say, he neglects the original effect of the jutsu...Kyuubi is different to other life forms so he must have effected the jutsu in some way...cause...hey we don't see Kyuubi fighting Yon sama for an eternity do we??? -Yon sama sealed Kyuubi inside another vessel ( Naruto ) cause he predicted that if he died...kyuubi would most likely escape from damnation since he's already a youma...so Kyuubi must be imprisoned inside a living vessel...a body to anchor his soul... The fact is, no one knew what happened in Yondaime's final battlle with Kyuubi...and since Kishi haven't made any gaiden about the battle, i'm pretty sure that what happened in the day of the sealing holds a key role throughout the entire plot and story line.... |
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