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***CrowKenobi*** · 2013-12-07, 02:47

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ultimate_noob · 2013-12-07, 10:27

DAT OP. DAT mister donuts and starbucks stealth marketing. DAT kaiki oniichan. DAT cliffhanger. DAT yotsugi peace signs.

DAT toilet scene.....

omimon · 2013-12-07, 10:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by ultimate_noob

DAT OP. DAT mister donuts and starbucks stealth marketing. DAT kaiki oniichan. DAT cliffhanger. DAT yotsugi peace signs.

DAT toilet scene.....

What he said.

Daniel Lind · 2013-12-07, 11:28

OP of the year.
Which year?

Pi-face · 2013-12-07, 11:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel Lind

OP of the year.
Which year?

80s, I believe. Maybe 88... Reminded me about the Lupin III. Don't know why

ndqanh_vn · 2013-12-07, 11:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by ultimate_noob

DAT OP. DAT mister donuts and starbucks stealth marketing. DAT kaiki oniichan. DAT cliffhanger. DAT yotsugi peace signs.

DAT toilet scene.....

Whenever I heard any characters mention Mister Donut, or (in the novel) Kaiki mentions his special travel card, I always think "is this product placement right here?"

Seriously even an ancient vampire, or a legendary conman could be seen enjoyed their meal in Mister Donut, is there any cooler advertisement?

omimon · 2013-12-07, 12:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pi-face

80s, I believe. Maybe 88... Reminded me about the Lupin III. Don't know why

Actually I was getting more of a Kimagure Orange Road feel.

Altima of the Gates · 2013-12-07, 12:28

It was Dirty Pair-esque for me, especially the kind of muted way they did the OP.

But yes, good job SHAFT, this is definitely a good make up present from no OP in Shinobu Time.

And seriously, I think they are trying to kill the Nadeko fans this arc, just wow.

Miraluka · 2013-12-07, 13:11

Hahaha that sequence and their interactions makes them look more like a couple than when she is with Araragi.

omimon · 2013-12-07, 13:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miraluka

Hahaha that sequence and their interactions makes them look more like a couple than when she is with Araragi.

By the end of the series everyone will crave for Kaiki's D instead of Araragi's.

Daniel Lind · 2013-12-07, 13:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miraluka

Hahaha that sequence and their interactions makes them look more like a couple than when she is with Araragi.

We don't really see her with Araragi (well outside of two companion short stories in which they act like a legit couple).

Raymondjram · 2013-12-07, 14:43

I loved seeing Hitagi again and so close up! I love her eyes and her serious look (although she smiled once). And I felt for her when she got up and left to cry in the ladies' bathroom, then returned with softer eyes. I am also happy to hear her VA, Chiwa Saitou, return to sing the new OP, and see different views of Hitagi's character during the OP, although the music was weak, and not as moving as the two OP she had in Bakemonogatari. Well done Shaft!

I knew Kaiki will try to fool Nadeko in believing that Kayomi and Hitagi died in an accident, but I don't believe she will accept that so easily. And I have a hunch that the guy who gave her the original curse of the snake (as explained in Bakemonogatari) will be mad at him and may be the person who Kaiki feels is following him. I don't know if they will meet and what will happen. I do know what Kaiki fins in Nadeko's closet and it is related to something she mentions in Bakemonogatari to Koyomi.

I also liked to see Yotsugi Ononoki, and this time she cuter whenever she says "Peace!".

Anyway this episode made me feel good about Hitagi!

shinyaNakagawa · 2013-12-07, 20:38

I love everything in this episode.
That OP especially.
I got the Oniisama e feels.

HandofFate · 2013-12-07, 23:44

great episode, love whenever Kaiki outtalks hitagi.

He tries to play the villain so hard, but deep down, he's a softy.
I'm reminded of Kagenui's line about him. Something like "He's such a villain, but he says some good things"

ndqanh_vn · 2013-12-08, 00:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel Lind

We don't really see her with Araragi (well outside of two companion short stories in which they act like a legit couple).

I'm pretty sure we have seen a lot of Araragi/Hitagi interaction. They talk to each other, having lunch together, study together, go on a trip together in Bake, that kidnaping scene in Nise. This season though, they haven;t been seen sharing a scene together.

LightDragonman · 2013-12-08, 01:01

So Kaiki is apparently a Jerk With A Heart Of Gold then?

MartianMage · 2013-12-08, 06:26

Yep... that OP indeed!

DorkingtonPugsly · 2013-12-08, 06:32

Shaft can have their place back for doing unusual opening animations now. They really did it this time.

Action Kaiki detective man is 2 cool 4 me, can't handle it.

Hahaha the "yaaay peace peace" thing was funnier this way! The monotone and all so good.

Dark Faith · 2013-12-08, 07:57

"Three million yen"
30 minutes later
"I decline"

From start to finish (DAT OP!), this episode was nothing short of brilliant.
On the first episode of this arc I said I wasn't very fond of Kaiki, now my regret is that he didn't have nearly enough screentime.

Altima of the Gates · 2013-12-08, 08:51

There was one thing I think Kaiki neglected to consider when he took the money: that Gaen knew he would take the money and do the job anyway.

After all, he was just thinking that he couldn't visit Nadeko more than five more times with his current funds the night before.

She could have given him those funds considering his troubling personality. It is what you would expect of a senior, and less what we would expect from her rather overbearing personality in the past. Or, thinking further, maybe we don't know Gaen as well as we think we do, like how we are finding out more about Kaiki now.

View Poll Results: Monogatari Series Second Season - Episode 20 (Hitagi End III) Rating
Perfect 10	22	46.81%
9 out of 10 : Excellent	17	36.17%
8 out of 10 : Very Good	6	12.77%
7 out of 10 : Good	2	4.26%
6 out of 10 : Average	0	0%
5 out of 10 : Below Average	0	0%
4 out of 10 : Poor	0	0%
3 out of 10 : Bad	0	0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad	0	0%
1 out of 10 : Painful	0	0%
Voters: 47. You may not vote on this poll

2013-12-07, 23:44	Link #14
HandofFate Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006	great episode, love whenever Kaiki outtalks hitagi. He tries to play the villain so hard, but deep down, he's a softy. I'm reminded of Kagenui's line about him. Something like "He's such a villain, but he says some good things" __________________ ... Last edited by Kotohono; 2013-12-13 at 03:55. Reason: Off topic shipper

2013-12-08, 06:26	Link #17
MartianMage Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006	Yep... that OP indeed! __________________ Homura: Die monster! You don't belong in this world! Kyubey: It was not by my hand that I am once again given flesh. I was called here by humans who wish to pay me tribute. Homura: Tribute? You steal girls' souls, and make them your slaves! Kyubey: Perhaps the same could be said of all religions. Homura: Your words are as empty as your soul! Lolis ill-needs a savior such as you! Kyubey: What is a loli? A miserable little pile of moe! But enough talk...have at you!

2013-12-08, 06:32	Link #18
DorkingtonPugsly Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: My cozy room	Shaft can have their place back for doing unusual opening animations now. They really did it this time. Action Kaiki detective man is 2 cool 4 me, can't handle it. Hahaha the "yaaay peace peace" thing was funnier this way! The monotone and all so good. __________________

2013-12-07, 10:27	Link #2
ultimate_noob Skwid Fan Join Date: Jun 2012	DAT OP. DAT mister donuts and starbucks stealth marketing. DAT kaiki oniichan. DAT cliffhanger. DAT yotsugi peace signs. DAT toilet scene.....

2013-12-07, 11:28	Link #4
Daniel Lind ロック・オン！ Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Nizhny Novgorod, Russia	OP of the year. Which year?

2013-12-07, 12:28	Link #8
Altima of the Gates Casting a spell on you... Graphic Designer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Where there are no mallets or tentacles.... and the female cast of Tenjou Tenge is mine, all mine! Age: 40	It was Dirty Pair-esque for me, especially the kind of muted way they did the OP. But yes, good job SHAFT, this is definitely a good make up present from no OP in Shinobu Time. And seriously, I think they are trying to kill the Nadeko fans this arc, just wow.

2013-12-07, 13:11	Link #9
Miraluka Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Age: 34	Hahaha that sequence and their interactions makes them look more like a couple than when she is with Araragi.

2013-12-07, 14:43	Link #12
Raymondjram Member Join Date: Sep 2013	I loved seeing Hitagi again and so close up! I love her eyes and her serious look (although she smiled once). And I felt for her when she got up and left to cry in the ladies' bathroom, then returned with softer eyes. I am also happy to hear her VA, Chiwa Saitou, return to sing the new OP, and see different views of Hitagi's character during the OP, although the music was weak, and not as moving as the two OP she had in Bakemonogatari. Well done Shaft! I knew Kaiki will try to fool Nadeko in believing that Kayomi and Hitagi died in an accident, but I don't believe she will accept that so easily. And I have a hunch that the guy who gave her the original curse of the snake (as explained in Bakemonogatari) will be mad at him and may be the person who Kaiki feels is following him. I don't know if they will meet and what will happen. I do know what Kaiki fins in Nadeko's closet and it is related to something she mentions in Bakemonogatari to Koyomi. I also liked to see Yotsugi Ononoki, and this time she cuter whenever she says "Peace!". Anyway this episode made me feel good about Hitagi!

2013-12-07, 20:38	Link #13
shinyaNakagawa Lifeless shut-in Join Date: May 2013 Location: In my delusions	I love everything in this episode. That OP especially. I got the Oniisama e feels.

2013-12-08, 01:01	Link #16
LightDragonman Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2013	So Kaiki is apparently a Jerk With A Heart Of Gold then?

2013-12-08, 07:57	Link #19
Dark Faith Often Disappointed Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Portugal Age: 37	"Three million yen" 30 minutes later "I decline" From start to finish (DAT OP!), this episode was nothing short of brilliant. On the first episode of this arc I said I wasn't very fond of Kaiki, now my regret is that he didn't have nearly enough screentime.

2013-12-08, 08:51	Link #20
Altima of the Gates Casting a spell on you... Graphic Designer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Where there are no mallets or tentacles.... and the female cast of Tenjou Tenge is mine, all mine! Age: 40	There was one thing I think Kaiki neglected to consider when he took the money: that Gaen knew he would take the money and do the job anyway. After all, he was just thinking that he couldn't visit Nadeko more than five more times with his current funds the night before. She could have given him those funds considering his troubling personality. It is what you would expect of a senior, and less what we would expect from her rather overbearing personality in the past. Or, thinking further, maybe we don't know Gaen as well as we think we do, like how we are finding out more about Kaiki now.