Xbox One

[Destined_Fate]

http://www.p4rgaming.com/microsoft-t...r-the-console/

Seems that there is a ton of demand for the X1 after all... Or at least for that controller.

Smart move to increase the controller price and lower the X1 price so those getting a controller will be more tempted to actually get a X1 too.

PS - Just a Parody site, so don't take it with a grain of salt. I personally thought it was hilarious.

[shadow1296]

press conference rant on the xbox one by alphaomegasin

warn he cusses alot

[SonOfHeaven]

Originally Posted by Duo Maxwell

Competition is good, but when you hope for one wrong direction to work just because it's a "competition", something is definitely not right here. The only reason we want competitions is because they are aiming to satisfy the customers at the best of their ability, not to force the users to follow what they want.

It's early to say will they success or not, but I know for sure that they won't get a single cent from me.

Like I said, I'm not a M$ fan and I'm not buying that new console. Hopefully down line they change some things given the feedback from that conference.

[0utf0xZer0]

Originally Posted by Urzu 7

Take the time to read this.


http://kotaku.com/5958307/this-kinec...ense-violation




If that is true of the patent and MS actually implements that, then I say fuck Microsoft (eh, I said that yesterday about them anyway lol).

Unclear if they actually intend to use the patent or are just "covering the field" (patents can be worth quite a bit of money in the right circumstances).

[kyp275]

Originally Posted by 0utf0xZer0

Unclear if they actually intend to use the patent or are just "covering the field" (patents can be worth quite a bit of money in the right circumstances).

Before this reveal i would've said the latter, after this reveal.... I'm not so sure

IB4 viewer-counting-heart-rate-monitoring-drm-enforcing-camera-of-doom

[Soliloquy]

After watching Alphaomega, I'm convinced Xbone is like Communism in works.

[SOGESNAKE]

Sooo... I assume everyone can agree with this?

[Newprimus]

Originally Posted by 0utf0xZer0

Unclear if they actually intend to use the patent or are just "covering the field" (patents can be worth quite a bit of money in the right circumstances).

Just covering the field? This is Microsoft we're talking about.

[0utf0xZer0]

Anandtech just posted a review of the AMD's A4-5000 APU, which has four jaguar CPU cores running at 1.5ghz with 2MB cache. The XBone and PS4 will use eight jaguar cores with 4MB cache, rumour clock speed of 1.6ghz. So essentially equivalent to two A4-5000s.

Anandtech's result show that the A4-5000 gets trounced by Core i5s meant for use in ultrabooks to the tune of 46% faster on up:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6974/amd-kabini-review/3
To say nothing of desktop CPUs. Granted, the console code will obviously get great optimization and they'll probably use OpenCL to run some stuff on GPU, but man, raw CPU performance looks pretty weak on both consoles.

Originally Posted by Shinova

Just covering the field? This is Microsoft we're talking about.

Microsoft makes a lot of money off patent licensing.

And giant tech firms don't always use their patents themselves. Case in point: Sony has patents on systems for charging fees on used games. Going to guess Microsoft's tech works around them somehow.

[Newprimus]

Well that's not surprising, and I don't understand why people keep harping on about it. Consoles have to take into account power, thermal management, stability, and most importantly price.

A single core i5, for instance, costs up to about $200. That's almost half the probable price of a ps4 or xbox one. Just the CPU alone. Then you have the motherboard. Then graphics card. Then ram. Then case. Then hard drives. Then any drives like BD drives if you need them. And then there's the PSU. All of that adds up if you're building your own rig. And if you're not, you're still looking at about 700-800 for a decent mid-range tower or laptop. Things can go well north of a thousand dollars if you're going for a serious gaming machine.

So if you cram that much money into a system, of course you're going to get something that kicks the pants off of a console in terms of raw power, but there's the catch: Raw power isn't the point.

[kenjiharima]

AlphaOmegaSin has great facts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKm94T0jfzQ

YouTube

https://youtu.be/lKm94T0jfzQ

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[0utf0xZer0]

Originally Posted by Shinova

Well that's not surprising, and I don't understand why people keep harping on about it. Consoles have to take into account power, thermal management, stability, and most importantly price.

A single core i5, for instance, costs up to about $200. That's almost half the probable price of a ps4 or xbox one. Just the CPU alone. Then you have the motherboard. Then graphics card. Then ram. Then case. Then hard drives. Then any drives like BD drives if you need them. And then there's the PSU. All of that adds up if you're building your own rig. And if you're not, you're still looking at about 700-800 for a decent mid-range tower or laptop. Things can go well north of a thousand dollars if you're going for a serious gaming machine.

So if you cram that much money into a system, of course you're going to get something that kicks the pants off of a console in terms of raw power, but there's the catch: Raw power isn't the point.

I'm well aware that console CPUs tend to be slower than contemporary desktops - Xbox one (I mean, original Xbox) was the same way, and I always expected the performance to be weak given that the CPU is based on jaguar cores. It's just that they could have used a regular mobile CPU as the basis for the unit. Why strap four netbook class CPUs that don't scale well to high clocks together?

As for why I'm comparing it to desktop CPUs... well, I've had this theory a desktop user with one of AMD's newer (ie. highly clocked) octo-core desktop ships probably won't need to upgrade their CPU for this entire generation. I wanted to see what the difference would be so I could tell if I appear to be on the mark.

[Slayerx]

Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

All things considered, I am actually impressed with the Kinect 2. And I look forward to seeing what the jail-breakers would do with it in revolutionising technology. I just don't think it would do any good as a gaming device.

As i said before, i think if they just simply implemented certain controllers, the kinect could actually make for a great gaming device; like the next step up from the wii. The kinect on its own is too limitted, but add in a one handed navi controller and you can get A LOT more options

Originally Posted by kenjiharima

AlphaOmegaSin has great facts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKm94T0jfzQ

YouTube

https://youtu.be/lKm94T0jfzQ

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Oh god... he just reminded that i read a story about how some porn outfit was promising to make itself available on the next xbox (i kinda thought the major consoles didn't allow pron on their consoles). Yes people can watch porn on their xbox... which has a camera looking at them... which must always remain on... and will likely be connected to the internet

Ya porn or not, i would not be comfortable with having a camera that's always on and always connected to the internet, and always looking at me. Can't even feel comfortable being in my own room without a shirt on. Would have it been really so hard for Microsoft to make these things OPTIONAL and include an alternate control scheme.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Hello!~ The Bad News Fairy is here again!

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/...aming-headsets

MS has decided that it is time for all their customers to buy brand new headphones!

Granted, it does mean they can offer superior sound, so it's not all bad news. But too bad to those who paid a small fortune for top of the line gaming headsets.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Heeeheee... Glorious wreckage.........

[Edge Meltdown]

Wow... How the mighty have fallen. Was it too soon/late?

[Sides]

Originally Posted by 0utf0xZer0

Anandtech just posted a review of the AMD's A4-5000 APU, which has four jaguar CPU cores running at 1.5ghz with 2MB cache. The XBone and PS4 will use eight jaguar cores with 4MB cache, rumour clock speed of 1.6ghz. So essentially equivalent to two A4-5000s.

Anandtech's result show that the A4-5000 gets trounced by Core i5s meant for use in ultrabooks to the tune of 46% faster on up:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6974/amd-kabini-review/3
To say nothing of desktop CPUs. Granted, the console code will obviously get great optimization and they'll probably use OpenCL to run some stuff on GPU, but man, raw CPU performance looks pretty weak on both consoles.

To be fair the setup inside the PS4 and XBone are not available to normal consumers. If I understated correctly, both are made up of two jaguar units, as opposed to a real 8 cores like AMD's other Desktop cpu lines. So it is really hard to compare them to commonly available apus out there, because these dual jaguar (don't think you can call them that, but there aren't true 8 cores either) won't be sold to endusers directly.

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by Edge Meltdown

Wow... How the mighty have fallen. Was it too soon/late?

It will probably do well at launch, but who knows how it will fare when the general public starts having problems with it...
I can't see the dedicated ("hardcore") audience having much to do with this system, yeah. It seems designed deliberately to upset us.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

It will probably do well at launch, but who knows how it will fare when the general public starts having problems with it...
I can't see the dedicated ("hardcore") audience having much to do with this system, yeah. It seems designed deliberately to upset us.

General public in the US maybe, everybody else in the world aren't going to benefit from all that tv-television-tv stuff...

[0utf0xZer0]

Originally Posted by Sides

To be fair the setup inside the PS4 and XBone are not available to normal consumers. If I understated correctly, both are made up of two jaguar units, as opposed to a real 8 cores like AMD's other Desktop cpu lines. So it is really hard to compare them to commonly available apus out there, because these dual jaguar (don't think you can call them that, but there aren't true 8 cores either) won't be sold to endusers directly.

It's close enough design wise to having 2 A4-5000 CPUs to draw some inferences about the performance.

Actually, now that I've looked at things a bit more it's probably about equivalent to a Core 2 Quad or Phenom X4 - not as bad as I thought, actually. Assuming a workload that can actually take advantage of eight cores spread across two CPUs, of course. Still not sure why they did dual Jaguar (netbook/tablet) derived as opposed to single Richland (regular notebook) derived though, the latter seems to me like it would have been the natural fit for a console.