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While I'm much more of a Kallen fan I don't want C.C. to die. I'm concerned about her now though. It's now shown that she was in league with whatever Marianne had planned. She knew what he was about. C.C. has been keeping great secrets from him all that time. Marianne asked if she was still on "our" side. That implies that someone else is apart of this. Could this plot be the reason C.C. was in the first episode watching over young Lelouch? Like a caretaker until he was ready for the plan? It just looks really bad that she was apart of something so big that involved him and she never even told him she gave his mother a Geass. That it could implant her memories into another. Even if C.C. was using Lelouch from the start I think she cares about him now. That's more important. I think whatever happens she will redeem herself. I just really hope it isn't some kind of death redemption. Like saving him, but sacrificing herself. I want her to live on and be happy as a mortal to live a normal life, with memories. As much as i would like Lelouch to be with Kallen. I certainly don't want the price to be that C.C. has to die.
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2008-08-25, 22:07 | Link #2022 |
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You want a selfish person like C.C live happily?! A lot of people died because she gave Lulu a geass so he can grant her wish. Did she even care that Shirley, Euphie and the others died because that selfish wish of hers?!
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2008-08-25, 22:43 | Link #2023 | |
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If C.C. is selfish then so is Lelouch. She gave him the geass but it's up to him to use it for his purpose. And you can see that in both Euphie and Shirley case he unintentionally caused their death and regretted it later, not that he coldly sacrificed them. |
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2008-08-25, 22:47 | Link #2024 | |
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2008-08-25, 22:51 | Link #2025 | |
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I do wonder why she's been keeping the secrets about his mother from him. Now that's a big lie I hope they explain in the next episode.
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2008-08-25, 23:05 | Link #2028 | |
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Perhaps she will be able to replant her mind back into her body. If C.C. knew about all of this, and didn't tell him. I'm willing to give her a chance to explain for all the times she's saved Lelouch. I think she does care about him from the kindness he's always shown her.
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2008-08-25, 23:10 | Link #2029 |
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I beleve that C.C.'s original plan was to go along with whatever it is Marianne is scheming about, but clearly her rejection of the chance to get her death wish granted and her reluctance to be direct about it with Marianne mean that C.C. has repeated the mistake she swore she wouldn't and fallen in love with Lelouch. I actually think Marianne is the far more manipulative and cold bitch of the two at this point, even if it didn't start out that way.
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2008-08-25, 23:20 | Link #2030 | ||
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2008-08-25, 23:30 | Link #2031 |
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Agreed. If anything, it will probably turn out that CC had planned to follow Marianne and co's plan. However, after spending so much time with Lelouch is was probably inevitable for her to develop feelings for him, (and hopefully vice-versa ) and these feelings are probably what threw a wrenth into the plan. Still, even if you look at it from that point of view, Marianne questioned CC why she did not allow Charles to kill her, to me this sounds as if CC has little to do with Marianne's scheme, as she came off as basically stating it would of been OK, and perhaps even ideal for CC to have died.
If anything, I don't think CC is involved nearly as deeply in this plot that we've been conspiring against her. Most likely the only real crime she has committed here is that she knew of Marianne's existence, and even this is questionable to some degree. On the other side of the coin, we can't really blame CC for not telling Lelouch. When she first met Lelouch, you have to argue with yourself where her loyalty resided. If you look at it from a different perspective, would you expect her to turn on Lelouch after being with him all this time, right after she met another Geass candidate? There are a lot of unanswered questions regarding CC, but I'm pretty positive she will weather the storm. We can pretty much assess that CC will not die until her "true wish" is granted. This wish is debated, but personally I believe it means to receive an unconditional love from another, one arguably that Lelouch confirmed he would fulfill. However, I am also of the CC x Lulu persuasion (obviously) and a lot of this comes off as a strained bias. We should just relax and realize that we could all be completely wrong regarding everything that has happened. Undoubtedly, I suspect that no matter how big or small CC is involved in this mysterious connection with Marianne, Lelouch will most likely return backlash towards her. CC x Lulu shippers like myself can only hope redemption occurs, and not in the form of death. I am pulling for my happy ending all the way to the end. |
2008-08-25, 23:31 | Link #2032 | |
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I think C.C. started out involved in this plot, but the kindness Lelouch showed her gave her second thoughts. Now she really care for him. I saw Marianne say "OUR" ally. She didn't say Lelouch. If he was in on it why did C.C. hide it. Far as I know right now she could of meant Lelouch and there is a very good reason C.C. never told him she gave his mother a Geass. I just think that Schneizel being involved would explain why he claimed her body. So they couldn't bury her and maybe repair he damage from the bullets and she can place her mind back in her body. I'm wondering if Marianne's body could be on the Avalon. In the tale of King Arther Avalon was the resting place of the dead. It's where Merlin took King Arther after he died. I think no matter what the plan was C.C. will save Lelouch and hopefully get free with him.
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2008-08-25, 23:55 | Link #2033 | |
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OT: I'm a fan of Michael Jordan but I can't deny the fact he was an asshole to his teammates and deserved a slap in the face at least once. Last edited by yondy; 2008-08-26 at 00:09. |
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2008-08-26, 00:39 | Link #2034 | |
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2008-08-26, 00:47 | Link #2035 | |
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An ideal ending for C.C is to redeem herself, like sacrificing her life for Lulu, and removing the cursed geass from him. She lived long enough and spend some happy days with Lulu, that's more than enough for her. Lulu actually saying I love you to her before she die would be a bonus one for her. But living with Lulu like a happy family would be unfair for all of those people who suffered from geass. Look, if you think she deserve a happy ending good for you. For me, no, she doesn't deserve one, that includes Lulu, Charles, and Nina. They all contributed to this mess, it doesn't matter who started it all or who contributed the most. Last edited by yondy; 2008-08-26 at 01:16. |
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2008-08-26, 00:52 | Link #2036 |
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Fine with me. And if you include who contributed to the mess, it will be a much longer list then just zero, CC, emperor and nina. Most of characters in this show has their own plan or goal that more or less, direct or indirect lead to the current situation.
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2008-08-26, 02:01 | Link #2038 | |
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I dont know why but I think there is a reason why they introduced memory wiped C.C to us, and as much as I hate it, I think she will be back..I mean what the hell was the point of her? I hope I am wrong though..
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The nearsightedness in this thread is baffling, downright baffling. It seems all people do is bounce from one rediculous extreme to the other.
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Quite simply, her receiving an unconditional happy ending (memories, mortality, and desire fulfilled) would be hopelessly anti-climactic and insulting to every character who's corpse she's stepped over to get her wish(es). No matter her final decision, her actions in the past bar her from (rightfully) deserving a perfect ending. Does that mean she won't get it? No, but it would be a bit of a stretch to give it to her. The reverse is true, she does not deserve to burn in the proverbial fires of hell. She suffered and her decisions have been warped by it to seek her contract (though, arguably, the moment she starts questioning her contract she does in a way invalidate all the people she's stepped over for her original contract because she herself would not allow herself to be loved. So its hardly a boon but we'll skip this.) She does not deserve to lose everything, or more her original self does not. The ten-year old that was a victim of circumstances is as innocent as Anya in this, just an unwitting victim of Geass. The elder C.C., on the other hand, does not really deserve to have everything given to her without a price. From here we get my personal belief that she will have both wishes granted simultaneously. I find it very likely, that the 10-yer old C.C. is what we might get after this upcoming episode. Quote:
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I think you're on the right track as to why C.C.'s little form was introduced. They simply wrote off the older C.C. for five episodes and then suddenly brought her back. That's rarely a good sign. |
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