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Perfect 10 | 11 | 22.45% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 20 | 40.82% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 13 | 26.53% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 3 | 6.12% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 1 | 2.04% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 2.04% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2013-03-19, 18:53 | Link #101 | |
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So, I don't buy this explanation one bit. I don't think it's cowardice either, as we've seen plenty of examples of bravery from various humans throughout this series. I chalk it up to the normal plot detail that is ignored in order to further the plot in the direction the author wants it to go. There's an oft used term for that, but I'm totally having a brain fart.
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2013-03-19, 18:58 | Link #102 | |
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2013-03-19, 18:58 | Link #103 | |
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2013-03-19, 19:18 | Link #105 | |
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Though I still think it's unreasonable to state a human can't kill another human with their cantus, within the framework of physical rules this story is based upon. I have to assume, at the very least, there's been at least one incident in the world where a human accidentally killed another one via cantus, as one of many possible examples of how it could be accomplished.
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2013-03-19, 19:20 | Link #106 |
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It happened just a few episodes ago - people killing what they thought were bakenezumi only to turn out they were either other humans. And then they died due to the death mechanism.
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2013-03-19, 19:34 | Link #107 |
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I thought that was from an age prior to today's death feedback society though, so irrelevant to this particular issue. Though, again, I seem to have faulty memory for the early episodes, so I'm totally open to being wrong.
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2013-03-19, 19:39 | Link #108 |
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Yeah, I realized too late that I misunderstood what you were talking about, sorry.
Anyway, as I said above, it happened not long ago when the bakenezumi attacked the humans. People killed what they thought were human-shaped mutant bakenezumi, only to turn out they were real humans. |
2013-03-20, 00:41 | Link #109 |
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I'm wondering why they don't use Kiroumaru to off the Fiend instead. It's been stated several times that the Bakenezumi themselves were used to kill humans where other humans could not. Keep him hidden, then BAM bursts out from nowhere and snaps his neck! Why haven't they thought of using him?
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2013-03-20, 11:59 | Link #110 |
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Mirror? It reminds me about what psychologists said to me: Look at my face... It didn't work at me when I was 8, I wonder why it works on that character when he is 12.
Also, can someone explain how these bake nezumi were able to keep him away from all water surfaces, metal and basically everything that has any reflection? |
2013-03-20, 12:07 | Link #111 | |
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2013-03-20, 17:45 | Link #112 | |
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Spoiler for in the novel:
As the viewers have already realized, the main theme of the plot is the relation between the humans and bakenezumi, and its development. So that describing, whenever given the opportunities, bakenezumi's society, civilization and their thoughts and mentalities was as important as describing the human's to give the viewers insights into them, but unfortunately it was abbreviated or omitted in many cases in this anime. For example, when Kiroumaru proposed Saki and Satoru to play a decoy for him, it was like a diatribe or pep talk and very acrimonious, especially to Satoru, and in the conversation Satoru was as if he was an unsatisfied customer, but in the anime it was like "Yes, Kiroumaru, you are right. I was wrong. I accept it." And in the childhood arc when Squealer had run out on Saki and excused himself for it to Saki, he explained himself so brilliantly that in the end all Saki could do was, even though she was as angry as she was, just grumbling in low voice. And I think the anime failed to convey how advanced and resourceful the bakenezumi's civilization already were at the time of the tsuchigumo war. I hope in the next episode, the Tokyo expedition ends in the first 5 minitues and the rest is used for the aftermath of the rebellion (and what happened while Saki was in Tokyo), it seems there are so many things left to be told. I also hope the anime ends with "Going Home" playing as the anime started with it. And on another note, as for the psychokinesis in the story, I think it was explained that it can do whatever thing to matters as long as you can properly "image" it. I think if psychokinesis really exists, it's nothing short of magic. Is it a kind of EMF or gravity? Or it's something which has little thing in common with any kind of known force? I liked the idea that you have to learn and practice to use the psychokinesis properly and the applications of the ability is very specialized in that things like breaking, crushing and burning can be done as soon as you get the ability but you have to practice hard just to fly yourself. Anyway, it didn't break my shield of suspense of belief except when Inui recharged the false minoshiro. It might very well be easy to make a electric current, make a moving EMF or disparity in electron distribution, but an electric circuit can be easily broken if you apply a wrong voltage to it.... Speaking of suspension of disbelief, aside from some physics lessons given in the novel (the author seems to be not educated in the science at his university), the biggest thing which broke my suspension of disbelief is the psykobuster, it's a McGuffin after all, but I think even a homemade IED, I think which can be easily made from farm or home chemicals, would do a much better job than the psykobuster. Bury them in some strategic places, if you get the report of sighting of the akki, order someone who knows nothing or an animal like nekodamashi to push a button to detonate the bomb.... And lastly, since nobody accuses Saki, I have to. Saki, you were entrusted the whole future of the village and still you did that? It's really disappointing thing for a one once deemed as a future village leader to have done. Regret what you have done in your grave and apologize to the maggots. |
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2013-03-20, 20:35 | Link #113 | ||||
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Yep. Kiroumaru & Squealer are opposites and foils to each other. But the focus of this is not their relationship with humans - to think so is, I think, a very human-centric POV. As bakenezumi, the relationship with humans is pretty much a sword of Damocles constantly hanging over their heads, that needs to be dealt with definitively.
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I quite liked what she did. Was it a logical, cool-headed decision? Nope, not at all. But I think it was one of those game-changing gut based decisons that influence history all the time, to which not even the greatest leaders are immune. Saki may have made an emotional decision but in the end, it was the right decision. Luck (as it is) was on her side, which is also a valuable thing as far as leadership goes. (Not to mention, it was a nice plot twist, I'd never seen it coming in the book. Also it was a nice way to deal with the psycho buster that would've been a too convenient solution to the problem.) Last edited by kuromitsu; 2013-03-20 at 20:48. |
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2013-03-21, 22:22 | Link #114 |
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Join Date: May 2004
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The highlight of this penultimate episode came either when I didn't know what would be Yakomaru's next move, or Saki + Satoru running alone in the dark with the dreaded feeling of the fiend closing in on them.
It hasn't been easy to quell within me the conflict between two different worldviews. Some people, like me, fall into the trap that if any being possess intelligence and reasoning on par with the human species, then sooner or later their nature will evolve to a similar way like ours. Of course, the Bakenezumi had to put with every humiliating concession and work at pain of death or annihilation from the humans, and once they found a window opened for growth they took it and maxed it out to the fullest for the benefit of their species. When it comes to ensuring survival and prosperity of one's own species against another oppressing one, the most passionate members of the kin already rush right into the battlefield without giving too much thought about the cost, the implications, the sacrifices, and the consequences. However, fair-minded members of the race will stop to try to think about it, if there's a tiny speck of a ground for rationality. However, if we must accept that life is war the moment one's own existence is conceived, then one must everything within the scope of his or her own skills and attitude to keep himself or herself in constant change as the world continues to change. I cannot say for certain that there are winners and losers but is just that both species intend to keep themselves alive for survival with the goal of annihilating the other, so their species may survive. If what Shun's living memory within Saki encouraged her to think about the fiend, then the conclusion to me is clear that she must make him realize and understand that he's just the same member of their species just like them are to him. This could likely foil Yakomaru's plan and, perhaps, bring him to his grave. Now, I'm just waiting for the last episode. |
2013-03-22, 15:38 | Link #115 |
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Frankly, I dont think that making the fiend realize he is human would change anything. Why would it make him turn against the bakenozumi all of the sudden. So maybe he is not the same species, but he grew up with them, they taught him their language (or so it seems) and he considers them his own kin.
If he sees his own image and realizes he is human, he might feel confused, but I am sure he would not kill the bakemozumis because of it. Plus, he could have easily thought his reflection in the mirror is some kind of a trick. |
2013-04-06, 12:21 | Link #116 |
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This series made me sick .. Characters and Story were good, but the fate of Maria and Mamoru and their child is just plain, plain stupid and ... just stupid. I got this "hate" gut inside of me I can't seem to get out. But yet, I know I'm glad that the story itself was good and not one of those dumb "miracle" type series out there. I do not appreciate what happened to Maria and Mamoru and their child ... if you want to kill them off, at least do it appropriately .............
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