Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha ViVid Manga Discussion

[Rising Dragon]

Well, Keroko, like I also pointed out, she wasn't alone. She was also backed up by Vita, who has loads more experience than Nanoha and is on par with her, strength-wise. And checking back on episode 9, Shamal also mentions the kind of mission they were on: reconnaissance. A return from reconnaissance, to be exact. Not something like heavy combat. We should also keep in mind that at the time, Nanoha had proven herself to the Bureau as a capable mage, what with two Lost Logia incidents under her belt and two years' worth of work as a Bureau officer. So it's not like they sent a rookie.

[Keroko]

Hence why I said that maybe "risk" takes on a different meaning for those who face it on a decently regular basis.

Originally Posted by 00-Raiser

They said outright that their choices were cooperating with the Bureau or going to jail. Most of the younger Numbers chose the former, Uno, Tre, Quattro and Setta chose the latter.

Helping with the investigation, yes. But that's a whole different thing.

[Mirron]

Yeah, it was just the investigation. They weren't going to be in TSAB or go to jail, just help clear up what, exactly, went down with Jail's plan. Similar perhaps, but not the same thing.

[Dark Wing]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

I was under the impression that Caro wasn't forced to join, but that the officials were saying the only use they'd have for her would be as a soldier. As far as I can remember, Caro chose to join the TSAB after Fate adopted her.

Yes she wasn't forced...Actually her village kicked her out because she was too dangerous she went to the TSAB because there was no where else she could go. The officials at the base originally want to make her a sweeper to go in and wipe out all enemies in the area but Fate came along and adopted her.

[Tiresias]

I've heard a saying once (IIRC not in English): Everybody ages. Not everybody matures.

Physical attributes are not the only consideration, IMO. There's also mental maturity to consider, how they are ready to make logical choices instead of deciding on whims and understood that life is not just about your rights and needs but also your responsibilities. And while yes, a teenager in puberty might also not be the most emotionally stable person, armies can't exactly wait for their recruit potentials till they're 21

Of course, they could always handwave it as magic speeding up one's mental maturity. Most nine-year olds I've seen usually acts more...well, immature, than Nanoha and her friends.

[al103]

Also the very reason half of first world population are NOT mature even at 21 is that stance that children can't make decisions, don't have responsibility for anything and are nothing more that glass toys to be protected. Most of nanohaverse underage heroes come from situations that are opposite to that - orphans, military brats, poor countryside, family of ninjas... people from such backgrounds IRL do act 4-6 years older than they counterparts from big cities middle/high class families.

[Tiresias]

...not to be nitpicky, but did Nanoha ever found out about her Ninja heritage? It's just that I was under the impression that Nanoha, aside from the daddy-almost-died event, lived a normal childhood till the encounter.

[al103]

Originally Posted by Tiresias

...not to be nitpicky, but did Nanoha ever found out about her Ninja heritage? It's just that I was under the impression that Nanoha, aside from the daddy-almost-died event, lived a normal childhood till the encounter.

It doesn't matter if she ever found about it, it's about family spirit, upbringing, in-family responsibilities and number of other things which was further amplified by her father long stay in hospital. She did decisions for herself, had responsibility for them and her family considered her human and not priceless glass toy to be protected. Also they cover is small family business - and in small family business everybody helps - yet another background that makes children mature faster.

[Tiresias]

Originally Posted by al103

It doesn't matter if she ever found about it, it's about family spirit, upbringing, in-family responsibilities and number of other things which was further amplified by her father long stay in hospital. She did decisions for herself, had responsibility for them and her family considered her human and not priceless glass toy to be protected.

Actually I just want to confirm the Ninja part, since it's pretty obvious for us viewers that Nanoha was more mature than most children of her age

[dahak]

Originally Posted by Mirron

Lutecia chose to live there, and really, she's on an entire planet. With her family.

And enough of a population to need a spaceport and largish town [SSX]. And has regular commercial starships calling [Vivid].

Clearly an unpopulated world.

[Nagumo]

Originally Posted by dahak

And enough of a population to need a spaceport and largish town [SSX]. And has regular commercial starships calling [Vivid].

Clearly an unpopulated world.

It's more like a world undergoing colonization. You're obviously going to have a town or city that's larger than the usual villages and little towns dispersed around the world to accept regular supplies and conduct offworld trade.

I would say, it's underpopulated and underdeveloped. Kind of like living in parts of Brazil, clearly things are on the up and go but there are plenty of parts that look like they've never been touched or developed.

[Alavon]

Originally Posted by Tiresias

Actually I just want to confirm the Ninja part, since it's pretty obvious for us viewers that Nanoha was more mature than most children of her age

Well, the only big difference between Triangle Hearts and Nanoha is that her father is still alive. So all that considering, Nanoha is descended from a Samurai family, not ninja. I'm sure she knows that since her father, brother and sister practice Kendo in their very own dojo. She of course doesn't follow it herself (for obvious reasons ^_^; ).

[Dark Wing]

Originally Posted by al103

Also the very reason half of first world population are NOT mature even at 21 is that stance that children can't make decisions, don't have responsibility for anything and are nothing more that glass toys to be protected.

I'm going to side with this statement 100%.

[al103]

Originally Posted by Alavon

So all that considering, Nanoha is descended from a Samurai family, not ninja.

I'm pretty sure with his ninja-style actions in Toraha OVA Kyoya would've been obstructed by "proper" samurai... and twin-kodachi style is also not something samurai would use - it's merchant sword after all... or sword for ones that pose as merchant. Even if samurai would use two short sword style it would be two wakizashi.

[Rising Dragon]

While the Takamachi family is mostly ninja in the current time period, that doesn't detract from the fact that they descended from the Fuwa samurai clan.

[al103]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

While the Takamachi family is mostly ninja in the current time period, that doesn't detract from the fact that they descended from the Fuwa samurai clan.

But they aren't any more. At least by the simple fact that they don't have liege lord. There can be unaligned knight, but there can't be unaligned samurai. And I'm not sure that they weren't ninja-posing-as-samurai even than as they family style is not samurai thing at all.

[00-Raiser]

The two sword style that Kyouya uses comes from the Mikami side of things. The Fuwa style uses 1 sword.

[al103]

Originally Posted by 00-Raiser

The two sword style that Kyouya uses comes from the Mikami side of things. The Fuwa style uses 1 sword.

I didn't played game, so my info is second hand... but aren't they same family that broke over something resulting long family feud or my info is wrong? There quite a lot of contradictory histories flying on the net...

[aers]

There's a raw for vivid 25 floating around on the nets somewhere.

Fighting, fighting, fighting, fanservice, fanservice, fighting, then finally a few pages of dialog.

[Justin_Brett]

Damn, that was some enhancement.