2012-11-08, 19:33 | Link #2961 |
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It could be that the only way to get change in our fuel use is blood and death. Otherwise no one will actually change. They will keep doing what they are doing because it is easy.
If people become oppressed and comes to great harm over this, they will demand something change. The nature of that change is the key. Go forward or backward. Whiching from coal to oil was relatively easy because using oil was easier than coal. Same with going from wood to coal. It lasted longer and was more effective for things like blacksmiths. But switching from oil to something else will be hard, because so far the alternatives are either difficult or are not as effective as oil.
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2012-11-08, 19:57 | Link #2965 | |
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The kind of people who ask for bloody revolutions kind of worry me.
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2012-11-08, 20:07 | Link #2966 |
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Depends enirely if change will happen, or even happen in time (before it is too late). Some say it is already too late. Other think change will happen without conflict (somehow I doubt it if the corperations that runs things try to protect their old black gold cash cow to the last drop before starting to think of something new). It is likely that there will be a conflict at some point over all this (assuming the larger 'War on Terror" isn't it already).
Our species don't seem to like to change unless presented with adversity. Nearly all the models of a future society were our species more or less gets along with itself and the lines between coutries almost vanish are the result of us nearly killing ourselves off in a third (or even fourth) World War. Or sometimes just the result of a "minor" nuclear exchange, say between India and Pakistan and maybe China. The "near death" of the species seems to be the only thing that gets us to stop trying to kill each other off (somewhat like what happened to Europe after two world wars). Hopefully, those in power (politicians, beauracrats, and CEOs) will shift things on their own without too much of a problem. Or the CEOs might shift their cash cow to the new power source around the time oil's prices become "too high" and keep the new source at around the price oil was at a few years before oil became unbareabley expensive. For profit.
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2012-11-08, 20:10 | Link #2967 |
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Yes, but that's not entirely true. Correlation doesn't equal causation. Look at how the computer industry has changed over the past 50 years. It was natural, organic change, not forced through conflict or legislation--and it was incredibly fast.
You can't say this isn't a big deal either, because computers are probably the biggest deal for humanity since we split the atom.
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2012-11-08, 20:22 | Link #2968 |
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Power is still going to be required though and there is money in supplying, delivering, producing, and any other told numbers of things of power.
The Computer industry changed things a lot, but they did not change the base level of what society works from . Food is one. Shelter is another. Water is there as well. After that, everything else needs a method to power it. Being it human arms (via food), animal labor (also via food), electrical (multiple sources), or some form of fire (wood, coal, oil, atomic) to get an object moving. The main things today seem to be heating oil (winter), and fuel for cars, trucks, ships, and airplanes. Replacing those will be what changes things. I don't think Jarden Corporation has a Mr. Fusion yet in their line of products.
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2012-11-08, 20:56 | Link #2969 | |
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Now, we are no longer able to choose. We will have to get power in any way we can. We might even go back to wood if we had to.
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2012-11-08, 22:16 | Link #2971 | |
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2012-11-08, 22:19 | Link #2972 |
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^Speaking of which, Boeing announced that it will lay off 300 employees on the evening news. They starting with managers first though.
:US News Boeing Announces Big Layoffs in Defense Division Reuters | November 07, 2012 | 02:59 PM EST Boeing announced a major restructuring of its defense division on Wednesday that will cut 30 percent of management jobs from 2010 levels, close facilities in California and consolidate several business units to cut costs. The company [ BA70.98 +0.87 (+1.24%) ] told employees about the changes on Wednesday, in a memo obtained by Reuters and confirmed by Boeing. Boeing, the Pentagon's second-largest supplier, said the changes were the latest step in an affordability drive that has already reduced the company's costs by $2.2 billion since 2010, according to the memo. The measures come as U.S. weapons makers are under pressure to cut costs and preserve profit margins amid dwindling defense spending in the U.S. In a message to employees, Dennis Muilenburg, chief executive of Boeing Defense, Space & Security, said the company aimed to cut costs by an additional $1.6 billion from 2013 through 2015. "We are raising the bar higher because our market challenges and opportunities require it, and our customers' needs demand it," Muilenburg said. He said the total savings would reach $4 billion, making the company healthier and better able to deal with a tougher marketplace. He said Boeing would cut the number of executive jobs an additional 10 percent by the end of 2012, bringing overall cuts in its executive team to 30 percent for the past two years, a move that would result in a 10 percent cut in management costs. Boeing said the changes were not a response to the threat of additional, across-the-board U.S. budget cuts due to take effect on Jan. 2, or the outcome of U.S. elections, but represented another step in its continuing drive to "be more competitive while investing in technologies and people." Boeing said it could not project exactly how workers would lose their jobs because it would try to place people in its growing commercial business. A company spokesman declined to say how many jobs had already been cut from the 2010 level. Rival Lockheed Martin has reduced its management ranks by about 25 percent in recent years after announcing a voluntary buyout. Boeing said it would also expand its efforts to cut supply-chain costs by working closely with its suppliers, but did not provide details. Defense consultant Loren Thompson said the changes were needed to ensure Boeing's continued profitability. "Many investors focus on Boeing's commercial operations," Thompson said, referring to the jet-making business. "But defense provides 40 percent of the company's revenues and returns, so controlling costs there is crucial to maintaining the company's overall profitability." Boeing and other top weapons makers like Lockheed Martin [ LMT89.92 -1.23 (-1.35%) ], Northrop Grumman [ NOC65.42 -1.28 (-1.92%) ] and Raytheon [ RTN55.12 -0.35 (-0.63%) ] have focused heavily on cutting costs and drumming up foreign sales to maintain profits as they prepare for a sustained period of weaker defense budgets. Yup, it's sunny all over!-.- |
2012-11-08, 22:21 | Link #2973 |
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Well, that's cute, I admit.
And I'm pretty pumped about solar energy. I read that some people are hoping that by 2040, all vehicles will be self-driving and powered by solar panels in the roadways so that resupplying is pretty much never required. Sounds great to me. |
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Operative Faith reveals that Kroger will soon join the ranks of Darden Restaurants and slash the hours of its non-exempt (hourly) workers to avoid millions in Obamacare penalties. To give you a sense of Kroger's size and importance, its sales last year were $90 billion and it employs nearly 350,000 people. Most of its jobs are hourly and the vast majority of workers are neither millionaires or billionaires. Faith is a mid-level manager at Kroger and reports the dire news: (continue...) ... what better way to set the stage for a single-payer system! REAL gov. takeover of healthcare as envisioned by socialists is all but inevitable. It's no longer IF... but WHEN Quote:
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2012-11-08, 22:39 | Link #2975 | |
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I do have high hope for solar power though, I'd love it if they can make space-based solar power feasible, that would be just as awesome as practical fusion reactor |
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2012-11-08, 22:52 | Link #2976 |
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My town already has a charging station that can charge up a battery in 25 minutes. Voltageville indeed. Actually I was surprised to learn about this since I only found out in the last week that my town had that nickname because it came up when I was doing a research paper.
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the first mass-produced commercial hybrid is the Prius, and that went on sale in Japan in 1997, worldwide in 2000. maybe you're thinking about EVs like the Volt or Leaf? |
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