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AnimeFan188 · 2013-09-07, 20:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaintessHeart

It is a Mig21. Vintage fighter.

Still in use in Syria, and elsewhere though:

Libyan Mig-21 Fishbed fighter jets over North Africa:

See:

http://theaviationist.com/2013/09/07.../#.UivEiz_A51o

Even vintage fighters are deadly against people with no air force.

ganbaru · 2013-09-07, 21:50

Obama appeals for backing to hit Syria, Europeans urge delay
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...9860L020130908

EU blames Assad for attack, urges wait for U.N. report
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...9860DZ20130907

Tempester · 2013-09-08, 13:17

The USA is going to invade another country again? What the hell is this crap?

Who the hell cares if the Syrian government is using deadly chemicals on its people? What in the world does that have to do with the USA? They can go on a mass genocide in their own country for all I care as long as they don't hurt American citizens in any way. Why do Americans have to attack other countries without being attacked first? Why do Americans still call their military a "defense" force when all they've been doing the last 70 years has been offensive measures?

The international image of the USA is at rock bottom right now thanks to its busybody meddling with Middle Eastern countries. I'm afraid of even identifying myself as American when I visit Asian countries. And Congress doesn't care; they'll keep on attacking other countries and killing innocent people (hey, how is that any different than what Syria's doing, huh?) just so they can extend their term in office, then they'll retire and live on a beach in Jamaica while the common American suffers.

I am freaking ashamed to be an American citizen. I am ashamed to associate myself with my warmongering terrorist politicians and the window-licking idiot Democrats and Republicans who blindly support them. All I want is a peaceful nation that focuses most of its budget on domestic issues and is on good terms with the rest of the world. Is that too much to ask?

KiraYamatoFan · 2013-09-08, 15:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tempester

Who the hell cares if the Syrian government is using deadly chemicals on its people?

Be careful with that line.

I'm just playing the devil's advocate here: did you hold such opinion before the Kosovo War or were you not old enough to remember? According to the same logic of some people, NATO nations should have never gone in to nail Slobodan Milosevic because what Serbians do against Kosovars in Yugoslavia ain't our business. Care to explain why the overall difference in public opinion?

Vallen Chaos Valiant · 2013-09-08, 16:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by KiraYamatoFan

Be careful with that line.

I'm just playing the devil's advocate here: did you hold such opinion before the Kosovo War or were you not old enough to remember? According to the same logic of some people, NATO nations should have never gone in to nail Slobodan Milosevic because what Serbians do against Kosovars in Yugoslavia ain't our business. Care to explain why the overall difference in public opinion?

There is a difference between interfering in a civil war to stop the killings, and interfering in a civil war to stop one type of weapon being used.

Syria is the latter, as the killings have happened for a very long time. And as such it is not about people dying at this point.

AnimeFan188 · 2013-09-08, 16:51

Assad launched two Syrian Air Force Su-24 attack planes towards Cyprus to
probe British airbase’s air defenses:

"Last week we reported the news that, on Sept. 2, the RAF Typhoons based in
Cyprus, to provide the air defense of the island following the Syrian crisis, were
scrambled from the British base at Akrotiri whereas two Turkish Air Force took off
from Incirlik airbase and headed towards the island.

In the following days, more details about the Cyprus incident emerged.

Journalist Andrew Potter talked to the British MoD spokeperson who said: “The
MOD can confirm that Typhoon Air Defence Aircraft were launched from RAF
Akrotiri yesterday to investigate unidentified aircraft over the Eastern
Mediterranean; the aircraft were flying legally in international airspace; no
intercept was required.”

On Sept. 8, The Sunday People / Sunday Mirror revealed that Syrian Su-24
Fencers were actually involved."

See:

http://theaviationist.com/2013/09/08.../#.Uizw7z_A51p

Zakoo · 2013-09-08, 16:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tempester

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Well, for me it's quite simple, West doesn't intervine in Syria is nearly as equal as a proliferation and a pass for nearly all governement or terrorists organisation to use chemical weapons.

Countries with the power to intervine have to intervine if Assad really used those weapons. There's many things about chemical weapons that you do not seem to understand and why they have been supposedly banned for half a century now isn't for nothing.

Also if USA's image has been bad for the past decade isn't because of the wars they went it, but because of one war : Iraq. Lying to UN and your allies is never appreciated, that's probably why the west is now politically waiting for UN report.

Hunter · 2013-09-08, 17:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ledgem

The truth, according to whom? I don't ask because I disagree, but because I don't think it's really clear what's going on over there. As far as I can see it, we have two groups of people who dislike us, one of whom is asking us and whoever else they can to get involved and help their side.

There are many unknown concerning where this civil war is headed but the various factions and their approximative number isn't one of them.
There are a lot more than 2 groups. The rebellion alone is made of 5 main factions along with many loose affiliates who are in some cases fighting one another just as they are fighting Assad.

maplehurry · 2013-09-08, 18:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zakoo

Well, for me it's quite simple, West doesn't intervine in Syria is nearly as equal as a proliferation and a pass for nearly all governement or terrorists organisation to use chemical weapons.

Countries with the power to intervine have to intervine if Assad really used those weapons. There's many things about chemical weapons that you do not seem to understand and why they have been supposedly banned for half a century now isn't for nothing.

And 4 months ago, the rebels were suspected of using chemical weapons too, coming from an UN inspector. Much less news coverage though, or call for intervention.

ganbaru · 2013-09-08, 20:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnimeFan188

Assad launched two Syrian Air Force Su-24 attack planes towards Cyprus to
probe British airbase’s air defenses:

"Last week we reported the news that, on Sept. 2, the RAF Typhoons based in
Cyprus, to provide the air defense of the island following the Syrian crisis, were
scrambled from the British base at Akrotiri whereas two Turkish Air Force took off
from Incirlik airbase and headed towards the island.

In the following days, more details about the Cyprus incident emerged.

Journalist Andrew Potter talked to the British MoD spokeperson who said: “The
MOD can confirm that Typhoon Air Defence Aircraft were launched from RAF
Akrotiri yesterday to investigate unidentified aircraft over the Eastern
Mediterranean; the aircraft were flying legally in international airspace; no
intercept was required.”

On Sept. 8, The Sunday People / Sunday Mirror revealed that Syrian Su-24
Fencers were actually involved."

See:

http://theaviationist.com/2013/09/08.../#.Uizw7z_A51p

Somehow it feel like Assad had time to waste on this one...

Sumeragi · 2013-09-08, 21:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by ganbaru

Somehow it feel like Assad had time to waste on this one...

Which, when considering how people are accusing him of using chemical weapons, shows extreme confidence.

AnimeFan188 · 2013-09-09, 01:39

Report: Saudis sent death-row inmates to fight Syria:

"Saudi Arabia has sent death-row inmates from several nations to fight against the
Syrian government in exchange for commuting their sentences, the Assyrian
International News Agency reports.

Citing what it calls a "top secret memo" in April from the Ministry of Interior, AINA
says the Saudi offered 1,239 inmates a pardon and a monthly stipend for their
families, which were were allowed to stay in the Sunni Arab kingdom. Syrian
President Bashar Assad is an Alawite, a minority Shiite sect.

According to an English translation of the memo, besides Saudis, the prisoners
included Afghans, Egyptians, Iraqis, Jordanians, Kuwaitis, Pakistanis, Palestinians,
Somalis, Sudanese, Syrians and Yemenis. All faced "execution by sword" for murder,
rape or drug smuggling."

See:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/w...ences/1852629/

Tom Bombadil · 2013-09-09, 03:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnimeFan188

Report: Saudis sent death-row inmates to fight Syria:

"Saudi Arabia has sent death-row inmates from several nations to fight against the
Syrian government in exchange for commuting their sentences, the Assyrian
International News Agency reports.

Citing what it calls a "top secret memo" in April from the Ministry of Interior, AINA
says the Saudi offered 1,239 inmates a pardon and a monthly stipend for their
families, which were were allowed to stay in the Sunni Arab kingdom. Syrian
President Bashar Assad is an Alawite, a minority Shiite sect.

According to an English translation of the memo, besides Saudis, the prisoners
included Afghans, Egyptians, Iraqis, Jordanians, Kuwaitis, Pakistanis, Palestinians,
Somalis, Sudanese, Syrians and Yemenis. All faced "execution by sword" for murder,
rape or drug smuggling."

See:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/w...ences/1852629/

Freedom fighters by definition.

killer3000ad · 2013-09-09, 04:44

More like dirty dozen, Arab edition.

SaintessHeart · 2013-09-09, 07:04

Drug smugglers are useful - they can put their skills into use like the Lord of War.

Murderers would have a hell of the time doing what they like most - killing people.

Rapists? I don't know.

Shay · 2013-09-09, 07:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaintessHeart

Drug smugglers are useful - they can put their skills into use like the Lord of War.

Murderers would have a hell of the time doing what they like most - killing people.

Rapists? I don't know.

Sounds like the basis of a good movie if you ask me.

Endless Soul · 2013-09-09, 07:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaintessHeart

Rapists? I don't know.

Well, they would be...penetrating people. With bullets. Interesting plot twist by the Saudis.

Endless "Explanations" Soul

SaintessHeart · 2013-09-09, 07:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Endless Soul

Well, they would be...penetrating people. With bullets. Interesting plot twist by the Saudis.

Endless "Explanations" Soul

There is no bacha bazi in Syria where you can buy chai boys.

solomon · 2013-09-09, 11:48

Well The Big Man is gonna break into all regular programming tonight, over the Big Three, Cable News and even PBS, so this is the make or break hard sell.

(I think a good chunk of the populace will be distracted by MOnday Night Football however).

Anyone seen any good inkling of just what we would do militarily, besides chuck missles...........somewhere? That's a problem I have with this operation, the vagueness of it.

If Chemical Weapons are really so bad, we would knock down Assads door and drag him out.....but we won't.

This is lip service in the form of missles.

sbg711 · 2013-09-09, 12:08

Russia and China are/have sent military ships to the region. Some say Russia's navy presence there is solely for evacuation purposes, but could someone tell me how a missile cruiser, a reconnaissance ship, and an anti-submarine ship qualify as evacuation vessels? And who is China aiming to evacuate?

On the other hand, if Rus/China ships were to position themselves in between Syrian shores and NATO ships, while still remaining in international waters, they would hold the legal right to shoot down whatever tomahawks and planes that were to pass over or near them as means of self-defense, without being accused of aggressive behavior nor being directly dragged into the conflict.

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ganbaru books-eater youkai Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Betweem wisdom and insanity	Obama appeals for backing to hit Syria, Europeans urge delay http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...9860L020130908 EU blames Assad for attack, urges wait for U.N. report http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...9860DZ20130907 __________________

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killer3000ad Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Australia Age: 41	More like dirty dozen, Arab edition. __________________

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SaintessHeart NYAAAAHAAANNNNN~ Join Date: Nov 2007 Age: 35	Drug smugglers are useful - they can put their skills into use like the Lord of War. Murderers would have a hell of the time doing what they like most - killing people. Rapists? I don't know. __________________ When three puppygirls named after pastries are on top of each other, it is called Eclair a'la menthe et Biscotti aux fraises avec beaucoup de Ricotta sur le dessus. Most of all, you have to be disciplined and you have to save, even if you hate our current financial system. Because if you don't save, then you're guaranteed to end up with nothing.

2013-09-09, 12:08	Link #620
sbg711 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Age: 32	Russia and China are/have sent military ships to the region. Some say Russia's navy presence there is solely for evacuation purposes, but could someone tell me how a missile cruiser, a reconnaissance ship, and an anti-submarine ship qualify as evacuation vessels? And who is China aiming to evacuate? On the other hand, if Rus/China ships were to position themselves in between Syrian shores and NATO ships, while still remaining in international waters, they would hold the legal right to shoot down whatever tomahawks and planes that were to pass over or near them as means of self-defense, without being accused of aggressive behavior nor being directly dragged into the conflict. __________________

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Tempester Japanese Culture Fan Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Planet Earth Age: 33	The USA is going to invade another country again? What the hell is this crap? Who the hell cares if the Syrian government is using deadly chemicals on its people? What in the world does that have to do with the USA? They can go on a mass genocide in their own country for all I care as long as they don't hurt American citizens in any way. Why do Americans have to attack other countries without being attacked first? Why do Americans still call their military a "defense" force when all they've been doing the last 70 years has been offensive measures? The international image of the USA is at rock bottom right now thanks to its busybody meddling with Middle Eastern countries. I'm afraid of even identifying myself as American when I visit Asian countries. And Congress doesn't care; they'll keep on attacking other countries and killing innocent people (hey, how is that any different than what Syria's doing, huh?) just so they can extend their term in office, then they'll retire and live on a beach in Jamaica while the common American suffers. I am freaking ashamed to be an American citizen. I am ashamed to associate myself with my warmongering terrorist politicians and the window-licking idiot Democrats and Republicans who blindly support them. All I want is a peaceful nation that focuses most of its budget on domestic issues and is on good terms with the rest of the world. Is that too much to ask?

2013-09-08, 16:51	Link #606
AnimeFan188 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008	Assad launched two Syrian Air Force Su-24 attack planes towards Cyprus to probe British airbase’s air defenses: "Last week we reported the news that, on Sept. 2, the RAF Typhoons based in Cyprus, to provide the air defense of the island following the Syrian crisis, were scrambled from the British base at Akrotiri whereas two Turkish Air Force took off from Incirlik airbase and headed towards the island. In the following days, more details about the Cyprus incident emerged. Journalist Andrew Potter talked to the British MoD spokeperson who said: “The MOD can confirm that Typhoon Air Defence Aircraft were launched from RAF Akrotiri yesterday to investigate unidentified aircraft over the Eastern Mediterranean; the aircraft were flying legally in international airspace; no intercept was required.” On Sept. 8, The Sunday People / Sunday Mirror revealed that Syrian Su-24 Fencers were actually involved." See: http://theaviationist.com/2013/09/08.../#.Uizw7z_A51p

2013-09-09, 01:39	Link #612
AnimeFan188 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008	Report: Saudis sent death-row inmates to fight Syria: "Saudi Arabia has sent death-row inmates from several nations to fight against the Syrian government in exchange for commuting their sentences, the Assyrian International News Agency reports. Citing what it calls a "top secret memo" in April from the Ministry of Interior, AINA says the Saudi offered 1,239 inmates a pardon and a monthly stipend for their families, which were were allowed to stay in the Sunni Arab kingdom. Syrian President Bashar Assad is an Alawite, a minority Shiite sect. According to an English translation of the memo, besides Saudis, the prisoners included Afghans, Egyptians, Iraqis, Jordanians, Kuwaitis, Pakistanis, Palestinians, Somalis, Sudanese, Syrians and Yemenis. All faced "execution by sword" for murder, rape or drug smuggling." See: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/w...ences/1852629/

2013-09-09, 11:48	Link #619
solomon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Suburban DC	Well The Big Man is gonna break into all regular programming tonight, over the Big Three, Cable News and even PBS, so this is the make or break hard sell. (I think a good chunk of the populace will be distracted by MOnday Night Football however). Anyone seen any good inkling of just what we would do militarily, besides chuck missles...........somewhere? That's a problem I have with this operation, the vagueness of it. If Chemical Weapons are really so bad, we would knock down Assads door and drag him out.....but we won't. This is lip service in the form of missles.