2009-12-21, 14:51 | Link #2221 | |
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Also, as waven and krono pointed out, Natsu is nothing like Naruto...he lacks the insane attachment to ANY person, looks for Igneel without going emo at every reference, and doesn't talk trash to his friends, who mean a hell of a lot more to him than the genin rookies mean to Naruto. |
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2009-12-21, 22:15 | Link #2223 |
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Well safe to say i didn't see that coming... kind of an unexpected way of "killing off" the guild so that Wendy can join fairy tail without actually killing them off
granted though, it suffers from something i've felt has been a common problem in fairy tail; not enough build up... Sacrifce and lost are WAY more effective when you had time to actually get to know the characters. Jet, D'Roy, and Levi were the first when they got pinned to that tree before we ever really got to know them... Loki was another as we got barely any build up to his character before his show down with the stellar spirit king... I felt fried was another one considering his emotional breakdown at the end of his fight with Mira... Elfman might be another one... all emotional moments that would have been much more effective with more build up and attention given to the characters BEFORE the event; and in there case it would not have been hard as some of those early arcs could have traded one character for another; or insert a little bit of filler material If we had seen Wendy's interaction with the rest of her guild and actually gotten to know a few of them, this chapter would have been outright brilliant... though of course the problem there is that wendy would have had to been introduced much earlier on; which might have screwed with things... we are talking major re-writing |
2009-12-22, 00:18 | Link #2224 | |
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2009-12-22, 02:13 | Link #2225 | |
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2009-12-22, 13:19 | Link #2229 | |
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With Levi, Jet and D'Roy, i would have have given them about as much screen time as Loki had before the stellar king arc... It's like instead of giving us a flashback that tells us Lucy was levi's friend why don't we actually SEE when she became friends... at the very least we should have enough to recognize the characters pinned to the tree... otherwise it's more like "3 generic fairy tail members" Fried, same amount of screen time i'd give the other 3... instead of giving us a flashback telling us he was relatively liked in fairy tail and that the members made an effort to get close, why don't we actually SEE some of those moments... give him the status of a background character at the very least... really just enough screentime to HINT at the fact the people tried to get close to him and that he is not same hated villain like Luxus Loki on the otherhand, he i would want to see involved in a whole arc. Frankly, i think it might be good to have found a way to swap out Ezra for him in the Lullaby arc... when it comes down to it, Ezra did not NEED to be there and could have saved her into for the Moon Drip arc... Lullaby could have provided some decent character build up, while also laying down some subtle foreshadowing... maybe even throw him into Phantom Lord arc, instead of having Natsu get in two fights... All in all, for the minimum amount of build up for the characters that i think i should get it, we are talking about re-writing some arcs (not necessarily making them much longer), and probably adding a couple of chapters worth of filler material... that's for the minimum and it doesn't drag things on THAT much longer (though ideally i might go for more) but really, i don't think you can really sacrifice character development for Plot development... after all it's the characters that make the plot so dynamic; half ass the characters and you infact hurt the plot aswell... Not to mention one thing that has annoyed me is the very constant Natsu, Happy, Lucy, Gray, Ezra team up... We would be able to get a lot more exposure to other members of fairy tail if Mashima would just change that line up once in a while. |
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2009-12-22, 13:30 | Link #2230 | |
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2009-12-22, 14:02 | Link #2231 |
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That's part of the dynamic... set it so that he's pretty much stuck with Lucy, Natsu and Gray... Hell maybe he's the one who starts things off inviting Natsu and Gray on a mission, not realizing that Natsu drags Lucy along aswell; or something like that... Loki spends most of the arc trying to keep his distance from her and disappearing anytime Lucy summons a spirit; though probably still saving her at one point... and probably at the end we have Plue, the one stellar spirit who conveniently can't talk, find Loki hiding in a corner somewhere; where we then get enough dialogue out of Loki to set up some subtle foreshadowing of things to come for him
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2009-12-22, 15:44 | Link #2232 | |
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2009-12-23, 16:42 | Link #2234 | ||
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Overall, I agree with your concerns, a bit of development in many of the scenes you pointed out would not have hurt, however I do think your suggestions for improvements are a bit on the drastic side. |
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2009-12-23, 22:35 | Link #2236 | ||
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As far as i saw Fried was solidly a bad guy, there was incredibly little question of it to the point where his flashback and breakdown felt like a real asspull... The ONLY indication we got was that he was hesitant to jump into killing, something he very quickly got over. Considering what he was willing to do, how badly he was willing to maim them and how everyone of his comrades were just as cruel, such hesitation is a far cry from "i actually do care about my fellow guildmates and never wanted to hurt them" I think the proper balance would have been a few moments where the fairy tail members try to get close to him, where he then disregards them and gives them the cold shoulder... While it makes him look like a prick, it at the same time gives the slightest hint that he's not all bad as the other members do not seem to regard him with the same hostility that they give Luxus; where as what we got was the master practically shitting himself when he heard the 3 of them returned to the guild Quote:
And frankly, i think the moondrip arc, with Ezra showing up to drag Natsu/grey/happy/Lucy back to the guild, would have worked fine as an intro for her And i don't see plot holes it would create to just wait for the moondrip... only thing that happened that required ezra was her one day imprisonment by the council; and the only reason that had even the slightest significance was to establish that she knew sieg... but there are probably a hundred different ways mashima could have shown us that... hell thinking about it, that meeting in and of itself was a bit of a plot. I mean, Ezra called Sieg "evil"... however we later found out that she was aware and excepted that sieg was infact NOT gerald, and that he was his brother... if she understood that, then why did she call him "evil"? sounds to mean like mashima actually changed his mind with how he was gonna use seig/gerald mid way, and that meeting represents a small plot hole |
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2009-12-24, 12:09 | Link #2239 | ||
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though thinking about it now, ultimately "Natsu vs Gray" thing that occurred in earlier chapters was really kind of a thrown away dynamic in that it seemed to exist for no other reason than to provide a few laughs for ONE arc... i mean, after the lullaby arc, that "we can't stand being in the same room together without fighting" mentality just dropped off the face of the earth and they converted to somewhat friendly rivals. Same goes with their fear of ezra which was more or less gone after that arc (aside from when they knew she was coming to discipline them)... all in all, what i'm saying is that i would rather Loki get some more character development before the stellar king arc, over a few good laughs Quote:
though thinking about things i may have forgotten, did Natsu have any real role in gerald's plans in the tower of paradise arc; cause i do not recall... looking back at some old chapters, i was reminded that Sieg seemed to imply that Natsu's growing strength was somehow related to his plans, but i don't recall Natsu having a role in the tower of paradise... |
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