Umineko no Naku Koro ni - Episode 19 Discussion / Poll

[risingstar3110]

Originally Posted by Ssol

It is actually the other way around. The author of the visual novel said that the original gives more clues. However, he also said there are more fake leads in the original.

Did he use "red truth"? If not, then it could merely just an advertisement

[Jan-Poo]

He said that in the manga there are huge clues. But this also sounds like advertisement.

[maximilianjenus]

Well, there are always huge clues, the problem is thatthere are also a lot of fake ones.

[jeroz]

that's why i love the When They Cry series, just to see how R07 manage to mislead the viewers with all those random fake clues

[Ssol]

In the game I thought it was an important line during the airport scene when Bernkastel told Ange that Beatrice's game board is cut off starting October 4.
Since they left that line out of the anime it probably is just a fake clue.

[Ithekro]

Or it was just not that important to the scene at that time.

[furu]

Nah, not too entertaining ep. a found it a little boring, but it was good anyways :

Spoiler:

-Minori Chihara seiyuu awesome like ever. Good job.
-Juuza good as I expected.
Sad, 'coz Kasumi didn't surprise me too much.
-Mad Kinzo. Great.
-Blue truth. Was very good used, though.
-Portraits. Surprising.

[Uchiha Soul]

i like Maria new look in the op

as i said in the previous ep, Ange is coming from story 3, her past was related to that one .. she gonna investigates on how did her family die except aunt Eva .. even if Bern told her eveything, still she gonna plays the game putting in her mind the survival of her aunt.

i like how kyrie analyzing the situations .. she is so smart .. i like this couple, i hope they stay till the end in this game (within the 4 survival) .

i didnt like the Blue text or Blue truth .. i mean its not useful, any thing against the magic gonna be written in blue whether it is right or wrong!! Battler is stupid, he must put his own rules also like he says to Beato "i will use the blue text and u must use the red one otherwise im not going to play with u and at the end u gonna lose bcoz without the game there is no way i recognize u as a witch"
believing in new witch his sister Ange or witch Gretel after what happend in the ceremony is the most stupid move .. i guess we just have to wait and see .. i hope Ange is really helping him, i afraid she convinces him in a way that aunt Eva is the culprit .. let us not forget that Ange is thinking that Eva is the killer.

Kinzo he is not the real one .. OMG he is so strong!!
he is going to attends the family meeting, so in this story there will be no letter from beato, he will tells them everything .. finally they gonna meet him, i cant wait to see their reaction.

i forgot to write abt ange's aunt and Amakusa .. I think her aunt is the little sister of Kyrie and Amakusa ... hmmm i think he is Ange's cousin, he resembles Kyrie alot.

[-Sho-]

Rofl yeah for Kinzo , he's strong XD He should go in WWE

[MeoTwister5]

Originally Posted by Uchiha Soul

i like Maria new look in the op

as i said in the previous ep, Ange is coming from story 3, her past was related to that one .. she gonna investigates on how did her family die except aunt Eva .. even if Bern told her eveything, still she gonna plays the game putting in her mind the survival of her aunt.

i like how kyrie analyzing the situations .. she is so smart .. i like this couple, i hope they stay till the end in this game (within the 4 survival) .

i didnt like the Blue text or Blue truth .. i mean its not useful, any thing against the magic gonna be written in blue whether it is right or wrong!! Battler is stupid, he must put his own rules also like he says to Beato "i will use the blue text and u must use the red one otherwise im not going to play with u and at the end u gonna lose bcoz without the game there is no way i recognize u as a witch"
believing in new witch his sister Ange or witch Gretel after what happend in the ceremony is the most stupid move .. i guess we just have to wait and see .. i hope Ange is really helping him, i afraid she convinces him in a way that aunt Eva is the culprit .. let us not forget that Ange is thinking that Eva is the killer.

Kinzo he is not the real one .. OMG he is so strong!!
he is going to attends the family meeting, so in this story there will be no letter from beato, he will tells them everything .. finally they gonna meet him, i cant wait to see their reaction.

i forgot to write abt ange's aunt and Amakusa .. I think her aunt is the little sister of Kyrie and Amakusa ... hmmm i think he is Ange's cousin, he resembles Kyrie alot.

I don't think you actually understand the point of the blue truth at all.

[Uchiha Soul]

Originally Posted by MeoTwister5

I don't think you actually understand the point of the blue truth at all.

maybe ..can u explain it to me?

[Pixelation]

Originally Posted by Uchiha Soul

i didnt like the Blue text or Blue truth .. i mean its not useful, any thing against the magic gonna be written in blue whether it is right or wrong!! Battler is stupid, he must put his own rules also like he says to Beato "i will use the blue text and u must use the red one otherwise im not going to play with u and at the end u gonna lose bcoz without the game there is no way i recognize u as a witch"

Yeah, I think you missed the point. Beatrice DOES have to respond to the Blue with Red or else the Blue stands as the truth and she loses. Likewise (but not stated in the anime), it seems that Battler now has to counter Red with Blue by the end of the game or else he loses.

Basicly the game just got alot more dangerous for both sides, though Battler is still at something of a disadvantage... It's a whole lot easier to say 'It's magic, prove me wrong!' to everything than it is to find a logical solution...

Presumably, there IS a logical solution or it's not really a game because Beatrice can't lose. The real question is whether or not Battler can find it without losing first. ^^'

[Jan-Poo]

It is as you said, but Uchiha Soul does have a point imho. It's not like Beatrice so far refused to say red that much. And if she didn't use red there wouldn't be any game. Battler would state his human trick theories, Beatrice wouldn't answer, no one would win or lose.

It was Beatrice herself who created the red truth rule, so you can pretty well assume that she's interested in having a game and giving Battler a ground where he can fight. That's why this blue truth to me seems to grant what it was already granted.

Of course blue has other properties... but that's for later...

[Uchiha Soul]

it's gonna be much better if beato use the red truth .. but my point is (based on what i saw in the ep) the blue truth used to deny the magic, so Beato gave Battler an example abt the 5 master keys .. what i mean is: Is anything Battler gonna say to deny the magic will be written in blue i mean any theory that will come in his mind or just the truth one?

let's take an example abt what Battler said that his grandpa was killed before and there are 17 members + x number and x is the culprit.
if this sentence is right and wrote in blue it will be ok .. but if this one is wrong and wrote in blue it wont help Battler in any way bcoz if any theory will be written in blue whether its right or wrong then Battler will never take an advantage from it.

[Pixelation]

Originally Posted by Uchiha Soul

it's gonna be much better if beato use the red truth .. but my point is (based on what i saw in the ep) the blue truth used to deny the magic, so Beato gave Battler an example abt the 5 master keys .. what i mean is: Is anything Battler gonna say to deny the magic will be written in blue i mean any theory that will come in his mind or just the truth one?

let's take an example abt what Battler said that his grandpa was killed before and there are 17 members + x number and x is the culprit.
if this sentence is right and wrote in blue it will be ok .. but if this one is wrong and wrote in blue it wont help Battler in any way bcoz if any theory will be written in blue whether its right or wrong then Battler will never take an advantage from it.

From my understanding, Beato will have to rebuke his claim in red or this is as good as if she said it in red herself. This episode ended before she had a chance to respond, expect a response next episode.

He has to have a cohesive theory to explain what she claims is magic and chose to declare it in blue, which she then must debunk with red or forfeit. Since red can only state truth, she has to present a fact that makes his blue text a logical impossibility.

It still helps Battler if she debunks his claim, because with every fact she states he's narrowing down the possibilities and inching closer to the truth. Whether or not he can figure it out without losing is the question.

Of course, being the successor to Higurashi...

Spoiler for Significant Higurashi Spoilers:

...there is a high probablilty of the 'truth' containing both logical and mystical elements. There was certainly a human culprit and a logical explaination, while at the same time, Oyashiro-sama did exist and there was Rika's constant reincarnation.

[Evy]

Originally Posted by -Sho-

Rofl yeah for Kinzo , he's strong XD He should go in WWE

Oh god, someone has to draw that now.

[Alair]

Oh, the drama! Is Kinzo going to attend the family conference or is he not going to for reason of actually being a corpse? Maybe he's actually turned into a vampire? It'd explain how he was able to lift Krauss up with just one hand like that.

Good episode all around.

[Jan-Poo]

Originally Posted by Uchiha Soul

it's gonna be much better if beato use the red truth .. but my point is (based on what i saw in the ep) the blue truth used to deny the magic, so Beato gave Battler an example abt the 5 master keys .. what i mean is: Is anything Battler gonna say to deny the magic will be written in blue i mean any theory that will come in his mind or just the truth one?

let's take an example abt what Battler said that his grandpa was killed before and there are 17 members + x number and x is the culprit.
if this sentence is right and wrote in blue it will be ok .. but if this one is wrong and wrote in blue it wont help Battler in any way bcoz if any theory will be written in blue whether its right or wrong then Battler will never take an advantage from it.

He can say whatever comes in his mind as long as it denies witches and it is pertinent to the case.

Blue doesn't necessarily need to be true. You can use a completely false blue text if you want. But regardless of that the witch is compelled to give an answer in red. Those reds can then be used by Battler to make the right theory.

For example in Episode3 for the first twilight Battler said that one of six died by an accident. In the end Beatrice just gave up and didn't give any answer. If Battler used the blue there Beatrice would have been forced to give a reply in red by the end of the game... or else...

[Uchiha Soul]

in this case .. i think the story gonna be brilliant

[Archon_Wing]

Originally Posted by -Sho-

Rofl yeah for Kinzo , he's strong XD He should go in WWE

Rofl... that reminds me of

Spoiler for Higurashi Rei:

Rika and the chair

Though that would definitely make a hilarious story.