Ichigo and Rukia? or Ichigo and Orihime?

[Langus]

Originally Posted by Kakashi

Here I am trying to branch out, thinking it would be cool to do something new, but then you go say something like that . Does anyone here think my new avatar is cool? If not, change will have to be made.

LOL you actually think Kubo would write something like that if it turned out not to be true? Why waste the ink? Did he do it for lulz, like this guy?

Sorry, doesn't get a winning vote from me, but I'm also a biased Kakashi lover.

The scene wasn't about Ichigo. It was about Orihime confessing her feelings to someone beyond her group of nakama. She couldn't talk to her friends about how she felt so she talked to Matsumoto instead.

The scene was about revealing the depth of Orihime's feelings for Ichigo and the fact that it's not all sunshine and roses. Loving him for her isn't easy because she feels jealousy towards Rukia who is important to him. She feels jealous toward their relationship and how he seems to need her in his life. These were feelings she had to come to terms with and accept in that scene.

THAT is what that scene was about. So no, not a waste of ink or for LULZ. It was to reveal that love is not a golden paved route to happiness and Orihime's realization/acceptance of that truth.

[ShadowFoX]

Orihime shows actual affection toward Ichigo. She even attempted to kiss him. If Ichigo ever realizes how lucky he is, he'll find the right path.

[Warchef]

Originally Posted by ShadowFoX

Orihime shows actual affection toward Ichigo. She even attempted to kiss him. If Ichigo ever realizes how lucky he is, he'll find the right path.

She's suffering from one-sided love. Why wouldn't she be showing affection towards Ichigo. That's not to say that Rukia doesn't show affection in her own way of course.

She attempted to kiss him in his sleep. Not going to go the route of others and say she is a stalker, but if I found out that a girl tried to come in my house and kiss me while I was sleeping, I'd be anything but in love with her. That's just wrong.

[LeminLyme]

Excuse warchef, he doesn't know of Inoue Orihime.

If i found Inoue came in my house and tried to kiss me in my sleep, i'd hunt her down, approach her full on, and take her RIGHT THERE IN THE STREET! >=D Not really i'd probably invite her over and try to work my way <_<

Now let's say... Rukia tried that. Whut teh fook? O_o Orihime is babe enough to do that :P <redundant>

[Warchef]

Originally Posted by LeminLyme

Excuse warchef, he doesn't know of Inoue Orihime.

If i found Inoue came in my house and tried to kiss me in my sleep, i'd hunt her down, approach her full on, and take her RIGHT THERE IN THE STREET! >=D Not really i'd probably invite her over and try to work my way <_<

Now let's say... Rukia tried that. Whut teh fook? O_o Orihime is babe enough to do that :P Honestly Warchef, are you like.. Un-attracted to woman? Or a hime hater? :P

Inoue is in love with someone who doesn't return her affections (unrequited love). She came in his house at night while he was asleep and while she was invisible. Instead of leaving her confession as just that, a confession, she attempted to kiss him in his sleep. If he had been awake and fully aware of her presence I would have still said the same thing. Kissing or trying to kiss someone who views you as a friend, not to mention sneaking in their house without permission, is wrong.

Even in the context of the story, it was still a bad thing to do.

[Mr. DJ]

fact remains, she didn't give into her desire.

[asam_laksa]

Originally Posted by Hari Michiru

Even Ichigo agrees that Orihime's only a nakama to him!

Yeah, I don't mind him agreeing that Orihime is only a nakama to him, as long as he agrees that Orihime is god's wonderful gift to him, a blessing to him. That seems to have Tanabata vibe to me.

Originally Posted by sorbet

.........and? Because in the novel Ichigo feels grateful for Orihime's powers so he loves her?

Why don't you talk about how the novel ends with Ichigo washing dishes for Rukia because she fell asleep on the table? What's more, Ichigo looks at her smiling and thought, "I am glad to have come here because I'm able to protect you".

Oh and I thought only imaginary IchiRuki fans scream Ichigo protected Rukia in SS. Apparently an author of the novel which is approved by Kubo thinks the same.

It doesn't mean anything since it is just a novel. But thanks for bringing at up and reminds me how the novel favors IchiRuki a lot.

Yeah, in the 'Memories of Nobody' also Ichigo screamed about how he swore to his soul to protect Senna. There's nothing so special about Ichigo saying 'protect, protect' to any other girls, because that's what his name means.

Unless you're talking about Renji, then it's another different case.

Just because Ichigo is seen next to Rukia doesn't mean it's love. We would have then YoruichixIchigo, NellxIchigo, LuruchiyoxIchigo, SennaxIchigo pairing love then.

I can turn around the table by saying just because Ichigo is grateful to Rukia, for changing the world for him/making the rain stop, doesn't mean that Ichigo have to love Rukia.

Matsubara Makoto and Kubo Tite had co-jointly produced four novels, not just The Honey Dish Rhapsody,....Memories of Nobody and Diamond Dust Rebellion.

Spoiler for Diamond Dust Rebellion :

｢手分けして捜そう」
前の通りに出たところで、　Ishidaが言う。
Looks like we have to divide and search’, says Ishida as the front road became visible.

Ichigoは、｢よし！｣とうなずいて、皆の顔を見回した。
“Alright!” Ichigo said, nodding his head and looking at everyone’s face.

｢俺とRukiaはここから北を回るから、IshidaとInoueは東を。Chadは西を頼 む｣
Rukia and I will search around the north, Ishida and Inoue at east, and I leave the west side to Chad.

｢どんな小さな手がかりてもいい。何かあったら知れせてくれ｣
How small the clue is, it’s still alright. If anything happens, please let us know.
Rukiaが付け足す。三人はそれぞれに、「わかった」「うん！」｢了解｣　と答え、五人そろって走り出す 。
Rukia adds. The three people answered respectively, “Understood” “Un” “Clear”. The five people started running together.

最初の分峻点では、Chadだけが四人と逆の方向へ曲がるのだが、分峻の直前で、Chadoは斜め前を走る Ichigoに並んだ。
At the beginning part of the steep, only Chad turns to the direction opposite of the four people, but just before the first turn, Chad ran past Ichigo.

｢．．．Ichigo｣
Ichigo

｢ん？｣
Hhm?

｢あまり無理をするな｣
Don’t get yourself killed.

｢センキュ｣
Sankyuu

Chadoは四人に軽く手を挙げ、　別の道へ分かれた。
Chado waved his hand at the four, breaking off towards another separate path.

次の分岐点まで走る四人。
The four people ran until the next turn.

｢悪いな、Inoue。つきあってもらって｣
I’m sorry, Inoue, to make you tag along..

Ichigoは前を向かいたまま、横を走るOrihimeに言う。
Says Ichigo to Orihime who was running by his side as he ran forward.

｢ううん。Toshiroukun はわたしたちの友達だもの。｣
“That's okay. Toshirou-kun is our friend.”

｢．．．そうだな｣
“That’s true.”

Orihimeは、ちらっと、走るIchigoの横顔を見上げた。
Running, Orihime glanced at Ichigo sideways.

｢Kurosaki-kunは？　どうしてToshirou-kunのこと、そんなに……怒ってるの？｣
“Kurosaki-kun? Why are you angry over Toshirou-kun”

｢怒ってる？｣
“Angry?”

｢あっ、違ったらごめんね！Kurosaki-kun, 怖い顔してて．．．怒ってるみたいに見えたの。｣
Ah, if I’m wrong, then I’m sorry. Kurosaki-kun, you put up a scary face, it appears to be that you are angry.

不安げに自分を見ているOrihimeに、Ichigoは、｢．．．そうか｣と、苦笑した。
Seeing how uncomfortable Orihime is, Ichigo let out a forced smile

｢俺、怒ってたんだな．．．．｣
I’ve been very angry, isn’t it?

得心したように一人うなずくIchigoを、Orihimeは不思議そうに見つめる。
Orihime mysteriously stared at Ichigo who seemed to be nodding to himself alone.

その視線に気づき、Ichigoが言った。
Noticing her glance, Ichigo said.

｢昔の俺が、あいつと同じ顔してたんだよ｣
When I was at a very early age, I had the same face like his.

雨
Rain
黄色い雨がっぱ。水たまり。
Yellow raincoat. A puddle.
大好きなおかあさん。手を握ってくれる。あったかい。
My favourite mother. I asked her to hold my hand. It’s warm.
増水した川岸に立つ、おかっぱの女の子。
At the bank of the rising river, there was this little girl with bobbed hair.

危ない、と。助けなきや、と、思った。
It’s dangerous, no help. I thought

おかあさんと繋いだ手を放す。
I let go of my mother’s hand.

走る。
I run.

今にも川に落ちそうな女の子に向かって、精一杯伸ばした腕。
I stretched out my hand with all my might, towards the girl who would fall into the river any time soon.
その先にある、自分の小さな手のひら。
And in front of me, was my small hand’s palm.

後ろから聞こえる、おかあさんの呼び声。｢Ichigo！｣　と、名前を呼んでいる。
Behind me, I could hear my mother's voice calling my name, “Ichigo”

振り向いた女の子。
The girl turned her head at back and looked at me.
笑ったように、見えた。
She seemed to be smiling at me.

近くの鉄橋を走る電車の音。
Nearby the train ran across the train bridge.

雨
Rain。

自分の上に覆いかぶさっている誰か。
Who is covering me at the top.

汚れたピンクのカーディガン。
Dirtied pink cardigan.

血まみれのおかあさん。動かない。
Mother was covered with blood. Motionless.

雨。雨。
Rain. Rain.

雨。
Rain.

｢俺、オフクロが死んでしばらくの間……いろんな感情がこみ上げてきて、溺れそうになってた。けど、全部一 人で抱え込んで、抱え込むことが自分の義務なんだ、って思ってた。
Even though Mother had passed away for a long time, many feelings swelled up to the point I nearly got drowned with it. Still, I’ve decided to carry it everything all alone, thinking that it’s my duty to do so.

家族には、笑顔を見せた。絶対に泣けなかった。
To my family, I showed a happy face, determined not to cry.

母が死んだのは、自分のせいだと思っていたから。
I thought my mother’s is all my fault.

｢だから、昔しんでる自分が周りを悲しませてるってことに、気づいてなかった。｣
As such, I realized I had made the people around me sad.

川原に座り込む、九歳の自分。
のぞき込んだ水面に映った顔と、今朝見たHitsugayaの顔が、重なる。｣
Sitting down at the riverbank, the nine year old me.
The peering reflection person that appeared in front of the water surface and Hitsugaya’s morning expression occur again.

｢Toshirouは、そん時の俺と同じ顔をしてたんだ。だから、『バカ野朗』って言ってやんなきゃ気がす まねえんだよ｣
Toshirou had made that same expression I made at that time. That’s why I said ‘that bastard’ and made you sad, I’m sorry about that.

Orihimeを見たIchigoの目には、怒りの奥に、優しさがあった。
Staring at Orihime, his inner anger is replaced with gentleness.

｢．．．そうだね！｣
I see

Orihimeは、ホッとしたようにほほ笑む。
Orihime smiled in understanding.

二人の少し後ろを走っていたRukiaとUryuuも、無言て、二人の話を聞いていた。
Rukia and Uryuu who ran behind the two people a few steps behind, said nothing but hear their conversation.

(Ichigoにはいい友達がいるな．．．)
Ichigo’s very good friend…..

Rukiaには、　薄闇の中でも目立つオレンジ色の頭を見てあげて、思った。
Rukia thought as she watched the orange head in the midst of the dusk.

I guess the rumor in 2chan, about Orihime being the only one who 'healed' Ichigo's inner pain and Ichigo relating his past to Orihime is true.

Oh, I forgot to mention......Matsubara Makoto also rewrite the earlier Bleach's chapters, until Chad and Shibata Yuuchi in the 'Letters From The Other Side'. That includes Orihime's rescue from AcidWire, which I believe some people would agree very IchiHimeish.

[Warchef]

Originally Posted by DjTrizz

fact remains, she didn't give into her desire.

I'm aware of that

She knew it was wrong of her to do that (my interpretation of it), so she didn't do it.

Btw Asam, the quote you linked from HDR is talking about his physical wounds, not inner turmoil. Don't know where you got that from.

[Warchef]

I guess the rumor in 2chan, about Orihime being the only one who 'healed' Ichigo's inner pain and Ichigo relating his past to Orihime is true.

That's what you said. So I am inclined to say this.....

<redundant> You make these statements about 'inner pain' and turmoil yet the actual text doesn't mention anything about Ichigo's inner pain or turmoil relating to Inoue. In that section of the DDR story, it's talking about Ichigo's past with his mom's death and relating it to Toshirou. None of the stuff you bolded would possibly relate to Inoue 'healing' anything. Once again, I'm inclined to believe you are going off on some tangent.

He isn't relating his past in relation to Inoue, but to Toshirou. Unless you want to say that IchigoxToshirou is a valid pairing?

[Langus]

Shadow Fox: Sounds like you're saying that just because Orihime's beautiful and has a thing for Ichigo he should be bowled over with happiness. Other characters (Shinji) have brought up that same idea and Ichigo has brushed it off every time. He realizes Orihime is attractive, but that doesn't make him any more interested in her (or her any more worth being interested in for that matter).

It has yet to be shown that he thinks of her as ANYTHING more than a friend and that his treatment/consideration of her is significantly different to his treatment of Chad (considering their differences in gender of course).

Leminlyme: Thank god for the rest of us Bleach fans, Ichigo isn't as much of a slave to his hormones as you seem to be. At present he's too preoccupied with saving the world to worry about where he's getting his next (first?) lay.

Asam: Didn't Tanabata already pass with zero confessions by Ichigo of how Orihime was god's gift to him or anything else for that matter? I know Orihime shippers were really hoping for some big Tanabata reunion/reveal but Kubo gave you nothing to work with. To date, the only pair he's bothered to do anything with for Tanabata was Ichigo and Rukia. Maybe next year they'll have their moment?

Thank you for translating that bit of the novel. I have yet to read it but it sounds interesting.

You should've bolded the part where Ichigo said that he and RUKIA would go alone together to search the North.

You probably forgot too that Ichigo's already had a big heart to heart with Rukia about that Memories in the Rain thing. She helped him get over the guilt, helped him after his fight with the Grand Fisher when he tried to make up for it... Orihime didn't help him through it in this scene, she just reminded him of a painful moment in his life and he demonstrated how far he's already come in his fight to conquer the guilt by the fact that he was quick to recover.

I kind of enjoyed this line too... "Seeing how uncomfortable Orihime is, Ichigo let out a forced smile" There is nothing genuine or gush worthy about a FORCED smile. If they were as close as you suggest he should be able to be himself around her, negative feelings and all, without feeling obligated to force a smile for her sake.

[CMSensei]

Ichigo care a lot more for rukia, how many time has Ichigo called for her when she was down and when rukia sayed I will never forgive you for saving me. and why would he go that far to save her because she hes friend? Rukia dashes for ichigo. she doesnt want him to move because she is worried if he dies. when she goes to soul society.

Ichigo and orihime he doesnt really show much but he did go far for her too. In the episode they hold hands and look in the distance. sounds like they show some felling for each other.

[asam_laksa]

Originally Posted by Warchef

That's what you said. So I am inclined to say this.....

What are you blabbing about yet again? You make these statements about 'inner pain' and turmoil yet the actual text doesn't mention anything about Ichigo's inner pain or turmoil relating to Inoue. In that section of the DDR story, it's talking about Ichigo's past with his mom's death and relating it to Toshirou. None of the stuff you bolded would possibly relate to Inoue 'healing' anything. Once again, I'm inclined to believe you are going off on some tangent.

He isn't relating his past in relation to Inoue, but to Toshirou. Unless you want to say that IchigoxToshirou is a valid pairing?

I guess the rumor in 2chan, about Orihime being the only one who 'healed' Ichigo's inner pain and Ichigo relating his past to Orihime is true.

I bolded the word 'rumor' and '2chan' being true.

<redundant>

Summary of the whole translation......beware it's very IchiHimeish as reported in 2chan.

Spoiler for :

As the surrounding became clearer, the five agreed to part and search the place; Ichigo and Rukia to cover the north, Ishida and Orihime to take the east while Chad gotten the west part. Rukia added on by ordering them that if they ever come across anything to let the others know, even though it is small.
They began running. At first Chad got off, breaking from the group, but not before he told Ichigo not to overexert himself. Ichigo thanked Chad.

Until the next turn, Ichigo while running 'apologized' to Orihime for accompanying him but Orihime replied back that it was nothing for her because Toshirou-kun is their friends. Orihime looking at Ichigo's face sideways, decided to asked why Ichigo was angry with Toshirou-kun's matter. Ichigo got shocked at Orihime's statement, that he was angry over Toshirou-kun's matter. Seeing Ichigo's expression, Orihime became uncomfortable and apologized profusedly, explaining that Ichigo was making a very fierce/scary frown to the point she felt that Ichigo was so angry. Seeing Orihime anxiety, Ichigo let out a wry smile/forced a smile and nodded to himself, talking to himself alone, pondering whether Orihime was right or not. Seeing Ichigo nodding and talking to himself alone, Orihime stared at Ichigo with a strange, mystify expression. Noticing it, Ichigo quickly explained that he thought he saw his face in Hitsugaya's face this morning.

He then related his past to Orihime. . According to him, he felt the whole world's burden was on him alone, that he would not share it with others, but he realized that it only made the people around him sad. And that's what he felt Hitsugaya was doing when he saw Hitsugaya's face, and he became angry. If it had unsettled Orihime's mood, he apologized. As his eyes looked at Orihime, his inner anger was replaced by was tenderness/gentleness (just by looking at Orihime). Orihime smiled in understanding.

Ishida and Rukia who were behind them said nothing but just listened and observed their conversation(Ichigo and Orihime). As they ran, Rukia felt that Ichigo had good friend (in Orihime).

I only typed in the Japanese text each line as written in the book, so as to let other people who know how to read Japanese check and verify.


Ichigo relating his past to Toshirou? Why can't you read the whole thing, instead of nit=picking all the little stuffs.

And inner anger is NOT AN INNER TURMOIL?

Okay. If you're thinking in the line sadness/depression/pain caused by Ichigo's mother's death.....then I guessed the whole 'Rukia stopped the rain thing' statement is a fake statement by your standard.



Don't just because of one leaf, you forget the whole tree.

In that section of the DDR story, it's talking about Ichigo's past with his mom's death and relating it to Toshirou. None of the stuff you bolded would possibly relate to Inoue 'healing' anything. Once again, I'm inclined to believe you are going off on some tangent.

He isn't relating his past in relation to Inoue, but to Toshirou. Unless you want to say that IchigoxToshirou is a valid pairing?

But then, I'm beginning to think.....no, I already realized the fact that, you don't even know what you're talking about now. All for the sake of being showed as who is the better debater.



Ah, I now have something to complain about IchiHime......just like Orihime going 'Kurosaki-kunning' over Ichigo......Ichigo's going 'apologizing' over Inoue.

[HayashiTakara]

Originally Posted by asam_laksa

I bolded the word 'rumor' and '2chan' being true.

And again, it appear to me that you couldn't read the text as a whole.

Summary of the whole translation......beware it's very IchiHimeish as reported in 2chan.


I only typed in the Japanese text each line as written in the book, so as to let other people who know how to read Japanese check and verify.


Ichigo relating his past to Toshirou? Why can't you read the whole thing, instead of nit=picking all the little stuffs.

And inner anger is NOT AN INNER TURMOIL?

Okay. If you're thinking in the line sadness/depression/pain caused by Ichigo's mother's death.....then I guessed the whole 'Rukia stopped the rain thing' statement is a fake statement by your standard.



Don't just because of one leaf, you forget the whole tree.



Ah, I now have something to complain about IchiHime......just like Orihime going 'Kurosaki-kunning' over Ichigo......Ichigo's going 'apologizing' over Inoue.

Quite interesting, where is this from again?

[Langus]

*cough cough* "Rukia thought that Ichigo had a good friend in Orihime."

I'm sorry, but that doesn't strike me as proof of any kind of Ichi/Hime pairing or that Kubo is moving in that direction. Why would the writer bother to reflect on RUKIA's opinion of the conversation unless it was to illustrate that her opinion MATTERS. Why does it matter? Because out of all of them she's the one closest to Ichigo.

I hope you find some shipping evidence some day that actually helps your case rather than hinders it. Best of luck!

[Hari Michiru]

Originally Posted by Langus

*cough cough* "Rukia thought that Ichigo had a good friend in Orihime."

I'm sorry, but that doesn't strike me as proof of any kind of Ichi/Hime pairing or that Kubo is moving in that direction. Why would the writer bother to reflect on RUKIA's opinion of the conversation unless it was to illustrate that her opinion MATTERS. Why does it matter? Because out of all of them she's the one closest to Ichigo.

I hope you find some shipping evidence some day that actually helps your case rather than hinders it. Best of luck!

Don't bother. There will always be shippers with their shipping glasses blacked out, so they consider everything against their pairing to be 'fake'/'speculations'/'rumors'/'BS' etc.

[Ichigo&Rukia]

Yeah, in the 'Memories of Nobody' also Ichigo screamed about how he swore to his soul to protect Senna. There's nothing so special about Ichigo saying 'protect, protect' to any other girls, because that's what his name means.

MON is a FILLER. Damn, going by your logic, Ichigo will end up alone because of a MOVIE!

But then, I'm beginning to think.....no, I already realized the fact that, you don't even know what you're talking about now. All for the sake of being showed as who is the better debater.

Don't tell me you think of yourself THAT high to judge people and to say who is a good debater and who is not.
As for Tanabata, it is so funny how IchiOriers use Tanabata, names, stars (not only here, in all debates) and IchiRukiers use facts. Roflmao.
"Inoue is our nakama, I will go and save her myself". NAKAMA! Absolutely no hestitation, nothing.. it makes me laugh. He would have said "I will go and save her myself" and there was no need for this nakama, but Kubo wanted to make it clear for some fans and they still don't get it..

[Mr. DJ]

There should be a comedic breakthrough for Orihime's "obsession" w/ Ichigo to seal the deal

a hair doll
a replica of OD's Ichigo Shrine
a tattoo of Ichigo's face on her back (not a real tattoo, but like those fake ones)
and probably a "I" shaved.............................somewhere >.>

w/ the exception of the last one, this could all take place in a Shinigami Cup well...last one could happen, just not visually

[Hari Michiru]

Originally Posted by DjTrizz

There should be a comedic breakthrough for Orihime's "obsession" w/ Ichigo to seal the deal

a hair doll
a replica of OD's Ichigo Shrine
a tattoo of Ichigo's face on her back (not a real tattoo, but like those fake ones)
and probably a "I" shaved.............................somewhere >.>

w/ the exception of the last one, this could all take place in a Shinigami Cup well...last one could happen, just not visually

You forgot the Ichigo Museum!

"Hair of Ichigo"
"Ichigo's homework"
"Tissue that Ichigo has used"

Wouldn't that be creepy? XD

[Scarlett_Rain55]

Ichigo and Orihime remind me of StarfireXRobin for some reason. And we all know who ended up witH each other. ehehehehhe. XD

For some reason the emo/dark girls never get the guy. *sigh* Does this mean I'll never win my crush's love? =(

[Kyero Fox]

Originally Posted by Finalfantasyfan55

Ichigo and Orihime remind me of StarfireXRobin for some reason. And we all know who ended up witH each other. ehehehehhe. XD

For some reason the emo/dark girls never get the guy. *sigh* Does this mean I'll never win my crush's love? =(

pfft, I think Emo girls are cute if they dont cut them selfs so much Actually I think their attracted to me on Myspace.