Growing out of anime

[hyl]

Originally Posted by GenjiChan

Aren't ONLY watching 3 good anime and ignoring 10 bad ones and saying anime in general in that season is at it's best is also not accurate?

Add 3 to the 10 makes it generally a worst season.

Has there been an anime "season" with only good animes?
*don't bother answering that, because it's rhetorical*

It's pretty safe to say that even 10 or 20 years ago more than 70% of all the animes back then weren't all that great

[Sackett]

Originally Posted by NK_500

Finally it came to this. From this day on I stopped becoming an anime fan after 18 years of being so. It was its current industry trend that actually killed me.

Back then when I was a kid I used to see some good shows like Rurouni Kenshin, Slam Dunk, Ranma 1/2 and Cardcaptor Sakura and today where these shows go? Instead what I got are generic action/ecchi/harem/moe shows for guys and generic romance/bishounen/reverse-harem/shouta shows for girls. Now anime industry have turned into something like junk food one. Produced in mass quantities, cheap, having little lasting values and can be quickly forgotten as you digest them. Yeah it's true Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood and Hunter x Hunter but it just not enough. At least for me those shows are good but nowhere as "masterpiece" and "exemplary" as most people claimed. Clannad is probably the last show that actually plot-driven despite being less than 50 episodes long(both seasons).

The only decent shounen shows right now are also quick cash-grabbing shows like Naruto, One Piece, Bleach(now ended) and Fairy Tail. Toriko is also heading in that way too. I know without these shows the industry itself will be in jeopardy but that's not an excuse not to make better plot-driven shows. About the plot most of the popular shounen shows are pulled for too long. Naruto, Bleach and One Piece are the biggest offenders(though I personally picked for One Piece because it is older than the other two). What's worse they are some shounen shows that actually tried to appeal teenage girls and young adult women instead of intended marketing audience(teenage boys). I'm not going to argue about that further but some people already figured what I'm try to say even they actually disagree with me.

While the industry itself is never better or worse than in recent years but I think I need to stop here. Ore no Imouto 2 will be the last anime I ever saw as an anime fan. It is sad to let it go of what already part of myself for 18 years but someday we need to say goodbye to our best friend. For me the day is today.

Why are you watching Ore no Imouto? It's the kind of anime you say you hate. Why haven't you watched shows like say... JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, Madoka Magica, Steins;Gate, or Penguindrum?

Heck right now Space Battleship Yamato 2199 is running. Exactly the kind of show to appeal to an old anime fan.

Sorry, but your complaints are about the shows you watch not anime as a whole. Why are you watching those shows? Why aren't you watching the other shows?

[NoemiChan]

Originally Posted by hyl

Has there been an anime "season" with only good animes?
*don't bother answering that, because it's rhetorical*

Depends... But I could generalized after seeing all the goods and the bad ones.

[NK_500]

I know I had bad taste in anime but some "philosophy" stuff just failed to grab my attention.

I also well aware lots of people are hating Total Eclipse and Ore no Imouto but I loved them anyway. TE have good production qualities even the plot is quite off. OreImo never take itself too seriously which makes it good to me. Lots of people are calling School Days as "masterpiece" but for me it just a garbage, at best.

By the way the only reason I watch OreImo because I saw its first season. I want to see how it folds up even though I can see the third and perhaps even fourth season are in their way too.

[hyl]

Originally Posted by GenjiChan

Depends... But I could generalized after seeing all the goods and the bad ones.

That's the problem that we are discussing in the last few posts...
People who have some kind of tunnel vision when it comes to anime and make inaccurate generalizations based on what they have watched and not as a whole.

When it comes to quantity there are more "bad animes" compared to 15+ years ago, but the number of animes airing every season has been more than doubled as well. I don't think that the ratio "good" and "bad" animes has changed that much over the years

[Kameruka]

At least we don't have something truly shitty like School Days and Mirai Nikki in 80's and early 90's. Maybe this is what NK_500 try to say to us.

[NoemiChan]

Originally Posted by hyl

That's the problem that we are discussing in the last few posts...
People who have some kind of tunnel vision when it comes to anime and make inaccurate generalizations based on what they have watched and not as a whole.

When it comes to quantity there are more "bad animes" compared to 15+ years ago, but the number of animes airing every season has been more than doubled as well. I don't think that the ratio "good" and "bad" animes has changed that much over the years

That depends if one managed to watched it all then generalized.

[Tempester]

Originally Posted by NK_500

I know I had bad taste in anime but some "philosophy" stuff just failed to grab my attention.

From the New World, Steins;Gate, Key the Metal Idol, JoJo's Bizare Adventure, and Madoka Magica are hardly deep or philosophical, and their stories are easy to understand for most people who can bother thinking about what they watch.

Are you just going to shove these anime off and continue to push your argument about the "decline" of anime?

[NoemiChan]

Originally Posted by Tempester

Are you just going to shove these anime off and continue to push your argument about the "decline" of anime?

She has her opinion... besides what's Madoka?

[Archon_Wing]

Now, now, there's no need to end one's anime experience on Oreimo season 2. I mean stuff like after prolonged exposure to that would be a reason to quit life, much less anime.

Also, it's time to introduce you guys to the joys of terrible vintage anime.

[Triple_R]

Originally Posted by Tempester

From the New World, Steins;Gate, Key the Metal Idol, JoJo's Bizare Adventure, and Madoka Magica are hardly deep or philosophical,

Wait... what? You don't consider SSY and Madoka Magica deep and philosophical? There's loads of depth and philosophy in both of those shows!

You're really selling the intellectual appeal of these two shows short.

[hyl]

Originally Posted by GenjiChan

That depends if one managed to watched it all then generalized.

>_>
You don't get the point of inaccurate generaliztions, do you?

When i go to the local lingerie store and i observe it for 1 hour and after that hour i noticed that there were more men than women at the store. Nobody would possibily believe that my generalization that more men than women go to a lingerie store could possbily be accurate and that all has to do with incomplete data
*i blame date a live for this random example, because i couldn't think of any stores that women tend to go to*

[NoemiChan]

Originally Posted by hyl

>_>
You don't get the point of inaccurate generaliztions, do you?

My version.

In a buffet... Mario wants to know if all food being serve taste good. He pick 3 of his favorites ignoring the other 7 dishes. He liked the 3 and generalized that all the foods being serve taste good knowing that he never tasted the other dishes.

Am I wrong?

[Archon_Wing]

Mm, I think you should stay away from this analogy thing.

[hyl]

Originally Posted by GenjiChan

My version.

In a buffet... Mario wants to know if all food being serve taste good. He pick 3 of his favorites ignoring the other 7 dishes. He liked the 3 and generalized that all the foods being serve taste good knowing that he never tasted the other dishes.

Am I wrong?

Yes, because that's not even a generalization

Originally Posted by merriam-webster

Definition of GENERALIZE
transitive verb
1
: to give a general form to
2
a : to derive or induce (a general conception or principle) from particulars
b : to draw a general conclusion from
3
: to give general applicability to <generalize a law>; also : to make indefinite

Originally Posted by Archon_Wing

Mm, I think you should stay away from this analogy thing.

Agreed

[backbone]

I nearly grown out of anime in 2010, when nearly every shows totally sucked and failed to grab my attention, then Madoka Magica and steins Gate took me by surprise in 2011, forcing me to go back into anime again. Then, i once again nearly grown out of anime during winter 2013, by exact same reason as before. But then again, Attack on Titan and Hataraku Maou-sama's pure awesomeness managed to drag me back into anime once again.

The point is, no matter how many times i intend to kiss goodbye to anime, for some reason there's always miracles to force me back into it over and over again.

[Archon_Wing]

For the restaurant analogy to work, it would be that Mario tried a few dishes at a restaurant and liked it; he then either

1.) Assumed that all restaurants that serve that sort of food are good
2.) Assumed that all restaurants are good.

That would be the equivalent roughly, for anime.

[NoemiChan]

Nevermind.... Damn I'm not smart.

[Sackett]

Originally Posted by GenjiChan

She has her opinion... besides what's Madoka?

Madoka is the huge hit among anime fans from a little over a two years ago. Won the Anime Choice Awards for Best Anime of 2011, as well as a few other awards. Apparently Magical Girl + Faust = the new Evangelion. Slightly spoilerish AMV.

As for you're point about bad ones being more common I think that is incorrect. Rather the lack of internet meant that the really bad ones never made it outside of Japan. I'm sure there were plenty of horrible anime during the 80s and 90s.

The situation right now is that you can't just say "Oh I like anime, lets watch whatever is on." You have to actually search through the shows, watch out for the little signals that a show is going to suck and drop those shows. Keep an ear open for what other people think are good shows, and ask for suggestions on this forum.

No different from any other medium. Movies, general tv shows, you pretty much have to do that for everything nowdays.

[Tempester]

Originally Posted by Triple_R

Wait... what? You don't consider SSY and Madoka Magica deep and philosophical? There's loads of depth and philosophy in both of those shows!

You're really selling the intellectual appeal of these two shows short.

Yeah, I didn't say that right. Sorry.

What I meant that you don't need to delve into the philosophical themes to enjoy these anime properly. They have stories that can be taken and appreciated at face value. Whatever metaphorical imagery depicted is unimportant for the overall story. There may be important social and philosophical themes (I know SSY has them, but not sure about Madoka Magica), but they're not required to enjoy the story.

Contrast this to Serial Experiments Lain, Revolutionary Girl Utena, and Mawaru Penguindrum. These anime always throw strange, nonsensical situations at you, and it's up to you to interpret them. What does Akio's car represent? What is the child broiler? These are all important parts of the story, but they don't have an explicit meaning that is obvious to everyone. Hence, they're "deep". Sometimes too deep for me to the point that they make me feel like an idiot for not getting them. Watching something like SSY or Madoka Magica feels simple and non-challenging compared to that.