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View Poll Results: Fate/Zero - Episode 21 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 52 | 48.60% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 37 | 34.58% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 11 | 10.28% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 5 | 4.67% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 0.93% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 1 | 0.93% | |
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2012-05-27, 02:47 | Link #82 |
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The whole scene with Kariya and Aoi was so heartbreaking. I know that Aoi was upset about Tokiomiīs death, but the fact that she blamed it all on Kariya was too much. The saddest thing is that Aoi and Sakura are completely unaware of Kariya's anguish and all he went through.
I donīt know if to blame Tokiomi or Kariya. In TV Tropes, it comes with an interesting observation: Spoiler for fz:
Ah, Byakuya....I donīt feel sorry for him and the fact Kiritsugu shoot him. After all Spoiler for fz:
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2012-05-27, 03:14 | Link #84 |
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The blame for the escalation of everything that happened cannot really be put in one basket or person. Everyone involved had a part in it, but they didn't do it with malice or bad intentions. ( except Zouken, but he's beside the point )
Kariya had no way of knowing his refusal would've caused a butterfly effect of Sakura becoming his successor. Tokiomi did what he did believing it to be for the best of his daughter's well-being as a father, but also that of an atypical magus. Aoi chose to be a 'good wife' and do what was expected of her. In the end, all of them isolated themselves from choices they made and it simply crumbled on top of each other.
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2012-05-27, 03:41 | Link #87 |
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Sincerly though, the only one that had pure intention for entering the war is Kiritsugu. Ironic as the methods he used is neither pure nor good. Remember one thing though, in Gen's world, the more pure your intentions are, the more you suffer.
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2012-05-27, 04:26 | Link #89 |
RUN, YOU FOOLS!
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I would have suggested Danshi Koukousei no Nichijou. He can then pretend that Yoshitake is Gilgamesh when not trolling Servants and Masters.
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2012-05-27, 04:52 | Link #90 | |
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or watch Persona 4 and see Kanji being Kanji.
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All comes down to Aoi's womb being too bountiful, if you know what I mean
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2012-05-27, 04:52 | Link #91 | |
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Zouken didn't demand a child from Tokiomi. It was Tokiomi who practically shoved her to his direction with Aoi's blessings. If it hadn't been Zouken, it would be another. This was going to happen anyway. Ultimately, giving away Sakura was her parents' choice, blaming Kariya is stupid. Since he was out the loop? If they had called him and he had refused to say a thing, you can blame him. But guess what? They never did. Ultimately, the one who tortured Sakura was Zouken, blaming any of the three of them for this unsavory outcome is also stupid.
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2012-05-27, 07:37 | Link #92 |
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the blame goes to Tohsaka, he gave away his daughter to Zouken to be mage without asking about the nature of his magic.
Aoi acted as any other loving wife, Karyia acted as any suffering and dying person. In Aoi's mind: Karyia returned to kill my husband and take the grail In Karyia's Mind: what ungrateful bitch, i did, sacrificed and suffered everything for her and her daughter, then she accuses me of what? Kiri was good scriptwriter ========= can saber use excalibure more than once in single battle? if she cant, then it was wise for her to retreat before Rider uses his army against her. |
2012-05-27, 07:48 | Link #93 |
Haro Pwned U!!!!
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i nvr seen her using more than once before.Saber was searching for Iri and since she knew she wasnt there after using excalibur she had to retreat and find her asap. Rider didnt counter attack since he doesnt know what other tricks saber had and also the reason for attacking him.
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2012-05-27, 08:07 | Link #94 | |
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As for the rest I feel like more of an outside observer not really getting emotionally involved...and this is the same with Kariya. Urobuchi sure likes torturing his characters and showing us there is no good in wanting to help others.
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2012-05-27, 08:41 | Link #95 |
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Saber and Rider's contest was not quite as epic as I had pictured it in my mind. It was still pretty awesome in any case. The invisible air bike looked really cool.
The "play" Kotomine staged was sick, and probably went beyond his expectations (I'm not sure he predicted Kariya would kill Aoi). He succeeded in utterly breaking Kariya. I wonder if Zouken was watching the scene from somewhere... if so, he must have been very pleased. Kirei and Zouken's small exchange was interesting and made me wish for a HF anime more than ever. It would be so amazing if Ufutable did it next... this route would make for a perfect "sequel" to Fate/Zero.
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2012-05-27, 09:30 | Link #96 | |
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PS:The Saber motorcycle scenes were awesome!
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2012-05-27, 11:01 | Link #98 | |
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I'm pretty sure she used invisible air to give the bike an additional 'push' , not to reinforce the bike with invisible air itself if that's what you mean.
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