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View Poll Results: Shin Sekai Yori - Episode 21 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 28 | 46.67% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 15 | 25.00% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 16 | 26.67% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 1 | 1.67% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2013-02-28, 17:48 | Link #222 |
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And this is a problem - this is an anime thread. We have book readers using their book knowledge to discredit others, even when the anime hasn't gotten to those points yet or it may never get to them. Things have been left out, someone mentioned in this thread they left out that it took 2-3 years before Maria's and Mamoru's bones were delivered to the village. That's pretty huge and we don't even know (in the anime) if the village did anything about it after Saki and Satoru came back without them. I've seen it mentioned that the village did nothing to prevent something like this but that isn't true, they just thought they accounted for everyone in the village (which seems silly if they knew a male and female were out of their control for 2 entire years). They didn't want children interacting with the rats and they even suggested after that one rat war that one side had a PK user, so they must have thought about it before.
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2013-02-28, 17:48 | Link #223 | |
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I think you would be better off imagining how you would react if you were born into and grew up in such a society. Your notions of what "humanity" means would be entirely different. The people in the world of Shinsekai Yori have every reason to be afraid of the potential harm their children could do. That's very different than being afraid of the children themselves. They are only afraid of the power that lies within the child. I'm not ashamed to admit that if I lived in their world I would feel the same way
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2013-02-28, 17:58 | Link #224 | |
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It's not hard at all to see how Kirarakim came to her conclusion when the narrative itself supports such a conclusion, imo. And if culling your own children is not inhuman, then I don't know what it is. That's one "imposition" I think all of us should feel free to make.
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2013-02-28, 18:03 | Link #225 | ||
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That leaves... poisonous gas and firearms - both of which aren't fool-proof either. Satoru showed that his Cantus is easily capable of defying physics and removed all the explosive oil. Anyone with their own Cantus can neutralize poisonous gas. It also should have been glaringly obvious that conventional firearms do not work either: Satoru and Saki as children came out of the Ground Spider colony's attack unscathed, albeit tired from the journey. The fiend also has experience dealing with firearms from Kiroumaru's army. A surprise attack is not a guaranteed answer, either - while the fiend may be a child, Squealer is just as smart as if not smarter than Saki, Satoru, or any adult and is more than capable of preparing for the case if they were capable of pulling a surprise attack. Also, a tip about plans: having one does not guarantee its success. There are bomb shelters in the case a nuclear bomb is dropped. Are you willing to bet your life that you would really come out unscathed if a nuke was dropped onto the shelter you were hiding in? As a bonus, counter examples from other forms of fiction: Cadmus vs the Justice League. A government funded military organization is preparing for the worst case scenario where the heroes of the Justice League turn rogue. They have the kryptonite, the nukes, the money to fund the research for anti-Superman, Batman, etc. weapons. Guess what? They still failed and were powerless. The same goes for Lex Luthor who has access to plenty of green kryptonite and still fails to bring down Superman. Quote:
"But wars are common! Prejudice, racism, and persecution are not new! Why couldn't they fight back?" Do you realize that how unrealistic that expectation would be given the context, even if the idea makes sense? I don't think it's fair to expect that every human and their mothers would be Batman with a successful countermeasure for every contingency. |
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2013-02-28, 19:00 | Link #226 | |
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Heck even Saki said she cannot forgive them for what happened to Maria & Mamoru but she still now understands.
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2013-02-28, 19:08 | Link #227 | |
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Personally, I think there's some things in this show that are pretty black... You yourself seem to agree given how you've characterized Yakomaru. Light teasing aside, you're one of the last people who should be faulted for being critical of the human society of SSY. If anything, you've been one of the more forgiving and understanding towards them. Some other viewers have wished nothing short of complete annihilation upon them.
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2013-02-28, 20:58 | Link #229 | |
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Do regular humans exist? Last we heard, they were slaves to psi-wielders during the 'dark ages.' We haven't seen any since then. I was wondering if perhaps regular humans had been mutated into the rats earlier in the series, but then they mentioned breeding naked mole rats in one episode, so I dunno. |
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2013-02-28, 21:28 | Link #230 | |
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Do you see any advanced technology in their world. They rely and depend so much on PK that they have went backwards in terms of technological advancement.
So yeah I am not really sure where you think they can come up with this elaborate bomb plan. I mean obviously their PK is pretty resourceful, but not in creating weapons like bombs for obvious reasons. Quote:
Do you even see the scientist group around? We don't know what happened to them.
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2013-02-28, 21:39 | Link #231 |
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I really don't know. It's super ambiguous. They show scientists experimenting with naked mole rats, and they have the technology to play that music every day. Bombs are a much more primitive form of technology than audio recording. I'm confused why you're so confident they don't have the tech. How are you privy to this knowledge? They haven't elaborated on this subject at all.
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2013-02-28, 22:05 | Link #232 | |
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And I don't think what we saw with the naked mole rats= advanced technological science. Just compare the human society with the monster rat society, absent of PK who is now the more advanced society? I don't see anything ambiguous here. I am confused why you think their society is technologically advanced. Heck if Satoru couldn't have made it any more clear "even we don't have concrete buildings?" Also a phonograph was introduced in 1877. That doesn't really seem all that "advanced" to me.
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2013-02-28, 22:11 | Link #233 | |
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But I have to admit that it is funny to think about how quickly and easily about 10 current Navy SEALs, if fully armed and ready for battle, could end this war.
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2013-02-28, 23:17 | Link #234 | |
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I don't think their society is technologically advanced by our modern standards, but I continue to contend that it's ambiguous as to what tech they have access to. It seems like a Final Fantasy X type world with some advanced tech and some primitive aspects. And yes I do remember Satoru making that comment and rolling my eyes at it. The ancient Greeks had concrete, it's not really all that advanced in the first place. Actually the phonograph is a more advanced form of technology than a bomb. Bombs themselves are much more ancient. Remote detonation is about as old as the phonograph. Powerful audio projection that they have to play music that can be heard at a distance is presumably more advanced than a simple phonograph, anyways, though I admit to not knowing when that form of technology came into fruition historically. Regardless, you can substitute bomb for poison gas or whatever else is convenient. My original gripe was that there is no contingency plan in place. Anyways, this is my last word on the subject, as we're going around in circles, and I don't feel like having a hostile discussion about a TV show (maybe I misinterpret your tone, but I feel like this is getting a bit too heated for me). |
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2013-02-28, 23:33 | Link #235 | |
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But like the villagers, the world outside of the barrier is largely a mystery to us. Wouldn't it be odd to find that some parts of the world dealt with the "problem" of PK completely differently, and are actually flourishing? To be honest, I wouldn't take the false minoshiro's history as absolute. Our own historical records are incomplete, filled with gaps, pieces, and distortions. I put little faith in a system that has been neglected to time to be able to give a perfect recount of days gone by. It'd be like asking an old man to tell a story from his childhood. It's never going to be accurate and could even be completely made up. Memory is funny like that. I say the village built their society with the best information they had to work with. It's possible the scientists actually did find cures or solutions to the syndromes, for example, but that it wasn't recorded or the information was lost for some reason. The village wouldn't know that, just like we don't know what happened during certain points in our history.
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Aren't you overestimating the effects of the death feedback? I rewatched the explanation of the False Minoshiro from episode 4. It's not like they die instantly as soon as they think of harming another human being. Firstly they just suffer from pain and nausea. Shooting a gun or detonating a bomb is an instantaneous action. Maybe they will feel terrible afterwards, but they should be able to do it. Quote:
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What strikes me as wrong is that when Tomiko was informed of the presence of an akki, she didn't say "Ok, time to implement plan B". No, she basically said "We are doomed, tell everyone to run"!
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2013-03-01, 06:32 | Link #239 | |
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I am not saying the society has NO technology just that they aren't technology advanced. As for bombs, yes I realize there were bombs for a long time but th type you are talking about to be able to kill without being anywhere close and there are still logistic problems of blowing up the fiend and not someone else by mistake. And there is also this same problem with things like poisonous gas and land mines, etc. And that is not even considering that death feedback may still be activated.
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