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nagare · 2008-08-25, 18:09

Hate to do this, but I'm not finding anything in the quick search.
Does anyone know how to unlock the last tip? The Golden Butterfly Brouche (the name is off memory, don't have the game here with me). The option is there, but unselectable.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sterling01

Yes that's because Kinzo used Ronove's help to create Genji

Was that mention in the game? I don't recall...

Rias · 2008-08-25, 18:24

Berkenstal talks about Rule X and Y in the booklet, but Rule Z still remains a mystery.

Sterling01 · 2008-08-25, 18:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peroyasha

Hate to do this, but I'm not finding anything in the quick search.
Does anyone know how to unlock the last tip? The Golden Butterfly Brouche (the name is off memory, don't have the game here with me). The option is there, but unselectable.

That's a bug in the game... it's not an episode 3 TIPS

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peroyasha

Was that mention in the game? I don't recall...

It's mentioned in his profile in episode 2

Spoiler for Episode 2:

Apathy · 2008-08-25, 19:38

It's certainly true that if magic was the cause, there would not only be quite a short story, but also unlimited possibility for the murders (they could never escape, unless there's a loophole). =/ It's sort of an impossible situation for them, in that case...

Although, I do agree that the witches probably exist in some form or other, as they've been appearing so much (even if it's just in Hanyuu-form). If that's the case, I wonder whether illusion-world Kumasawa transforming into Walgiria has anything to do with it (much as human-world Kumasawa was dead, I think... could be a red herring?).

The locked-room thing just sounds confusing. ._.; Red text, too...

(... I never was good at these sorts of puzzles...).

ClockWorkAngel · 2008-08-25, 20:50

We must also remember that the things we see may or may not be true.

We can only believe what Battler sees.

Everyone else may be false.

Just because it seems impossible it doesn't neccesarily mean it is.

eg. Looking at the deaths of Eva and Hideyoshi in ep1, we were given a situation of a "perfect" locked room. However that may be true, we don't now exactly when the door was chained at all.

Infact there's a large piece of unaccounted for time (The ending of the scene to the beginning of the discovery). There's also no proof that the death was caused by the stakes, infact because of the difficulty using it as a weapon, it was most likely used to cover the fatal wound (A gunshot perhaps) Nanjo did not take the stake out in fear that it would distrupt the police investigation.

Then you may ask "What about a sound?" Sound could be dealt with by silencers.

Then what about gunpowder marks? No one noticed them!

Precisely, no one noticed them, they were too busy with the stake on their foreheads to bother looking for any evidence. They spend alot of time trying to cover these deaths from one another.

But what about the magic stuff on the door and wall? This one is more difficult, but the thing is that there could be several reasons. We know that Kannon and Kumasawa weren't there. It's assumed that Genji went back to get Natsuhi.

At first glance Genji would have no alibi, once again unfortunately time isn't given to us, if it has this would be much easier.

The "paint" could be quite awkward, there is endless possibilities Ryu coulda thought up.

An addition to the rules: No one is safe from DBB (Death Before Beckoning). There has been the theories of the constant survival of the Children always, that's clearly untrue. Also people whom are named for the 3 treasures passed out consequently suffer from DBB.

An exception was that of Rosa and Maria at the end of ep2, but we're not even sure of when that was happening, or if it could be called before the beckoning.

There's alot of small things that could help our cause substantially, but we are barred from the essential knowledge.

Also when looking at red text, just because it isn't red doesn't mean it isn't true. It may sound illogical and it is, but its so that the story doesn't become too easy.

Nadeor · 2008-08-26, 01:16

So anyone mind telling me about Ronove?
Is he good? evil? or neutral?
From what I learnt he's somewhat neutrual, but stands on Beatrice's side...

Sterling01 · 2008-08-26, 01:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nadeor

So anyone mind telling me about Ronove?
Is he good? evil? or neutral?
From what I learnt he's somewhat neutrual, but stands on Beatrice's side...

He makes good cookies and tea and wants Battler to try them very badly

Nadeor · 2008-08-26, 02:53

Well that seems better
at least he doesn't torture Battler the way the stakes did XD
Read someone's preview regarding on the beginning of EP3
How the stakes were torturing Battler seems awful, and hopefully the siestas will bring an end to this

Just noticed:

Spoiler for Siestas:

Sterling01 · 2008-08-26, 03:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nadeor

Well that seems better
at least he doesn't torture Battler the way the stakes did XD
Read someone's preview regarding on the beginning of EP3
How the stakes were torturing Battler seems awful, and hopefully the siestas will bring an end to this

Just noticed:

Spoiler for Siestas:

It was pretty bad how the Stakes treated Battler but when he calls them "Ass nee-chans" it makes it all the better.

Spoiler for Siestas:

Rayneing · 2008-08-26, 03:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sterling01

It was pretty bad how the Stakes treated Battler but when he calls them "Ass nee-chans" it makes it all the better.

Spoiler for Siestas:

Sterling01 · 2008-08-26, 03:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rayneing

Spoiler for Siestas:

Nadeor · 2008-08-26, 07:26

Lol I gotta add that Tsukkomi to my collection Sterling

Did Battler call them that? In Ass like Butt or Ass just in short for Asmodeus?
Why did he call them that? Is he looking for another beat-up? =_=|||

I still remembered when we were discussing Umineko in our school's anime club
Me: "Don't know what it is, but MANCHESTER seems to be more powerful than AK to me..."
Everyone turned and looked
A: "Manchester!?"
Oops...

d-one · 2008-08-26, 08:22

hmm? what exactly the stakes do to battler?

it looks interesting

Sterling01 · 2008-08-26, 10:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nadeor

Did Battler call them that? In Ass like Butt or Ass just in short for Asmodeus?
Why did he call them that? Is he looking for another beat-up? =_=|||

Spoiler for :

**Klashikari** · 2008-08-26, 11:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by d-one

hmm? what exactly the stakes do to battler?

it looks interesting

It is NOT interesting for him though:

Spoiler for Episode 3, prologue:

Iphianassa · 2008-08-26, 16:22

I just finished this episode and noticed one thing which i have already been waiting for since episode 1.

Near the end, when Eva Beatrice begins her red spam, she states that the murders have not been done by a human and then adds that they also have not been done, which could be possible, by an animal, for example an orangutan.

And this is finally the reference to Poe's "Murders in the Rue Morgue", which is basically the first locked-room murder-story that also heavily influenced everything that followed.

Considering how much Umineko borrows from this genre, it was only a matter of time until this reference occurred.

But that's just a minor side note.

ClockWorkAngel · 2008-08-26, 23:51

How does Hideyoshi die in ep3? I wonder why Eva would kill him of all people. What about George?

Nadeor · 2008-08-27, 00:39

Lol now you guys are fast XD
Battler sure is getting the hang of a harem master now
Umineko no Naku Koro ni Kai: The return of the demon Groper

Jaymer · 2008-08-27, 01:14

Edit lawl sorry klashikari!!

Nadeor · 2008-08-27, 06:39

Lol, my friend totally hate me now...
He was telling a ghost story to the class, and I was laughing
The teacher asked why I laugh, I explained that it's totally do-able using the Devil's Prove and Shredwinger's cat theory, also some chessboard-inversion
Everyone agreed with me, thanks to Umineko
But now my friend hated me =(

2008-08-25, 18:24	Link #262
Rias Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003	Berkenstal talks about Rule X and Y in the booklet, but Rule Z still remains a mystery. __________________

2008-08-25, 20:50	Link #265
ClockWorkAngel Aspiring Aspirer Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Somewhere Over The Rainbow, Canada Age: 32	We must also remember that the things we see may or may not be true. We can only believe what Battler sees. Everyone else may be false. Just because it seems impossible it doesn't neccesarily mean it is. eg. Looking at the deaths of Eva and Hideyoshi in ep1, we were given a situation of a "perfect" locked room. However that may be true, we don't now exactly when the door was chained at all. Infact there's a large piece of unaccounted for time (The ending of the scene to the beginning of the discovery). There's also no proof that the death was caused by the stakes, infact because of the difficulty using it as a weapon, it was most likely used to cover the fatal wound (A gunshot perhaps) Nanjo did not take the stake out in fear that it would distrupt the police investigation. Then you may ask "What about a sound?" Sound could be dealt with by silencers. Then what about gunpowder marks? No one noticed them! Precisely, no one noticed them, they were too busy with the stake on their foreheads to bother looking for any evidence. They spend alot of time trying to cover these deaths from one another. But what about the magic stuff on the door and wall? This one is more difficult, but the thing is that there could be several reasons. We know that Kannon and Kumasawa weren't there. It's assumed that Genji went back to get Natsuhi. At first glance Genji would have no alibi, once again unfortunately time isn't given to us, if it has this would be much easier. The "paint" could be quite awkward, there is endless possibilities Ryu coulda thought up. An addition to the rules: No one is safe from DBB (Death Before Beckoning). There has been the theories of the constant survival of the Children always, that's clearly untrue. Also people whom are named for the 3 treasures passed out consequently suffer from DBB. An exception was that of Rosa and Maria at the end of ep2, but we're not even sure of when that was happening, or if it could be called before the beckoning. There's alot of small things that could help our cause substantially, but we are barred from the essential knowledge. Also when looking at red text, just because it isn't red doesn't mean it isn't true. It may sound illogical and it is, but its so that the story doesn't become too easy. __________________ Credit To Risa-chan! Last edited by ClockWorkAngel; 2008-08-25 at 22:04.

2008-08-26, 02:53	Link #268
Nadeor Asmodeus Saigo (>v<)/ Join Date: Feb 2008	Well that seems better at least he doesn't torture Battler the way the stakes did XD Read someone's preview regarding on the beginning of EP3 How the stakes were torturing Battler seems awful, and hopefully the siestas will bring an end to this Just noticed: Spoiler for Siestas: The numbers - 410 and 45 are related to Winchester

2008-08-26, 23:51	Link #277
ClockWorkAngel Aspiring Aspirer Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Somewhere Over The Rainbow, Canada Age: 32	How does Hideyoshi die in ep3? I wonder why Eva would kill him of all people. What about George? __________________ Credit To Risa-chan!

2008-08-27, 01:14	Link #279
Jaymer Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007	Edit lawl sorry klashikari!! __________________ [ Last edited by Jaymer; 2008-08-27 at 07:14.

2008-08-25, 19:38	Link #264
Apathy does not compute Join Date: Aug 2008	It's certainly true that if magic was the cause, there would not only be quite a short story, but also unlimited possibility for the murders (they could never escape, unless there's a loophole). =/ It's sort of an impossible situation for them, in that case... Although, I do agree that the witches probably exist in some form or other, as they've been appearing so much (even if it's just in Hanyuu-form). If that's the case, I wonder whether illusion-world Kumasawa transforming into Walgiria has anything to do with it (much as human-world Kumasawa was dead, I think... could be a red herring?). The locked-room thing just sounds confusing. ._.; Red text, too... (... I never was good at these sorts of puzzles...).

2008-08-26, 01:16	Link #266
Nadeor Asmodeus Saigo (>v<)/ Join Date: Feb 2008	So anyone mind telling me about Ronove? Is he good? evil? or neutral? From what I learnt he's somewhat neutrual, but stands on Beatrice's side...

2008-08-26, 07:26	Link #272
Nadeor Asmodeus Saigo (>v<)/ Join Date: Feb 2008	Lol I gotta add that Tsukkomi to my collection Sterling Did Battler call them that? In Ass like Butt or Ass just in short for Asmodeus? Why did he call them that? Is he looking for another beat-up? =_=\|\|\| I still remembered when we were discussing Umineko in our school's anime club Me: "Don't know what it is, but MANCHESTER seems to be more powerful than AK to me..." Everyone turned and looked A: "Manchester!?" Oops...

2008-08-26, 08:22	Link #273
d-one Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007	hmm? what exactly the stakes do to battler? it looks interesting

2008-08-26, 16:22	Link #276
Iphianassa Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2008	I just finished this episode and noticed one thing which i have already been waiting for since episode 1. Near the end, when Eva Beatrice begins her red spam, she states that the murders have not been done by a human and then adds that they also have not been done, which could be possible, by an animal, for example an orangutan. And this is finally the reference to Poe's "Murders in the Rue Morgue", which is basically the first locked-room murder-story that also heavily influenced everything that followed. Considering how much Umineko borrows from this genre, it was only a matter of time until this reference occurred. But that's just a minor side note.

2008-08-27, 00:39	Link #278
Nadeor Asmodeus Saigo (>v<)/ Join Date: Feb 2008	Lol now you guys are fast XD Battler sure is getting the hang of a harem master now Umineko no Naku Koro ni Kai: The return of the demon Groper

2008-08-27, 06:39	Link #280
Nadeor Asmodeus Saigo (>v<)/ Join Date: Feb 2008	Lol, my friend totally hate me now... He was telling a ghost story to the class, and I was laughing The teacher asked why I laugh, I explained that it's totally do-able using the Devil's Prove and Shredwinger's cat theory, also some chessboard-inversion Everyone agreed with me, thanks to Umineko But now my friend hated me =(