Code Geass R2 - Episode 25 Discussion / Poll [END]

[Kagetsuchi]

Originally Posted by cors8

Well Charles was going to take CC's code even though she never gave him geass. I think the code is transferable to any geass user who meets the requirements.

This.

[Hiku]

Originally Posted by bran

Nunally's words were "All this time you've...."

been lying?

i'm saying for the last time those scenes were there to only boost the death scene and show she understood something for herself graphically

also she was holding the hand where his code should be if he was immortal
and we saw numerous times there's no mark there
in charle's case he had gloves on we saw the code when he removed them
i assume it was there the moment the code was transfered

How can she know that he is lying about something he isn't even telling her? I could understand if he was tensing up while trying to to tell her a lie, but that she could sense this even without him speaking or trying to convince her is pushing it.

As for the Code, I'm not sure if it has to be in the same spot. I think C.C. checked V.V.'s shoulder after he lost his. But in either case, Lelouch's hand was way too bloody to be able to see if he had a Code or not.

[edgewalker00]

Originally Posted by tzia_n

fair enough, but it doesn't affect much i guess just don't let it be fuel to the fire, i stupidly did that pages back

people should understand that all these are merely theories... if they think my post is worth pissing about then id be glad to watch them rage all out XD

cheers for this chaotic thread

[RedWing]

Plus all transfers of CODE have been shown to be voluntary (for the taker).

[iBeast]

Originally Posted by RedWing

No solid facts mate, too many assumptions in your hypothesis.

Lol coming from the guy who didn't know about the memories transfering thing...I think you shoud re-watch this whole series and read every single post from 20 pages ago.

[tzia_n]

Originally Posted by equinox822

The Code Charles possessed until Episode 21 was taken by Lelouch either accidentally or on purpose, when Charles throttled him as he was about to vanish, devoured by the World of C.

this is an assumption while possible is still an assumption

Originally Posted by equinox822

What supports the idea that Lelouch has the Code and that it was no destroyed/devoured by the World of C is the fact that the geasses Charles had placed on Nunnally and Anya still held their effect. Geass draws its power from the Code, and had the Code been destroyed, the Geasses would have faded. That is why Charles’ Code still exists, now in Lelouch.

we don't know the mechanics of geass and the code that much to prove that much, so its still speculation

[eaglei3]

Originally Posted by RedWing

Plus all transfers of CODE have been shown to be voluntary (for the taker).

CC didn't voluntarily take hers...

[RedWing]

Originally Posted by Uchiha_Hai

Lol coming from the guy who didn't knew about the memories transfering thing...I think you shoud re-watch this whole series and read every single post from 20 pages ago.

LOL. Memory transfer still doesn't make sense sorry.

[bran]

Originally Posted by Hiku

How can she know that he is lying about something he isn't even telling her? I could understand if he was tensing up while trying to lie to her, but that she could sense this even without him speaking or trying to convince her is pushing it.

As for the Code, I'm not sure if it has to be in the same spot, but even if that is the case, Lelouch hand was way too bloody to be able to see if he had a Code or not. I've looked enough times, trying to see, but it's inconclusive.

we've seen his hand a lot of times after the episode with the scene charles grabbed him
no code there

[RedWing]

Originally Posted by eaglei3

CC didn't voluntarily take hers...

The nun asked her to take it. That wouldn't make sense if the nun could've just given it to her anyway.

[KrimzonStriker]

Originally Posted by RedWing

LOL. Memory transfer still doesn't make sense sorry.

It doesn't make sense at all period, we've only ever had one example of it, but it did take place regardless in this scene and that throws things into suspicion >_>

Originally Posted by RedWing

The nun asked her to take it. That wouldn't make sense if the nun could've just given it to her anyway.

Uh, no, the nun said nothing of the sort, she did not asked, she said it was finally time/C.C had been fooled, with C.C going all shocked afterward, not the type of context in which I think voluntary could be very applicable here, especially with a couple of deep gashes into her chest afterwards <_<

[Orga777]

Originally Posted by KrimzonStriker

Freaking hell Orga, they whip out her 'real' ability now of all times when there has been no previous development to really indicate as such? Yeah, and you call our Lelouch is Alive Theory bull due to lack of evidence >_>

So you just want to make stuff up on how she did it BEFORE than?
Seriously, we have seen ehr do it before, and she did it here. We were just WRONG on what it was.

By witnessing those times she actually did use it before now, remember Rommeyer? She had her repeat the line before while this time holding her hand before calling Rommeyer out on her lie, Lelouch said nothing and did nothing basically at that point, which is NOT in keeping with the past examples of Nunnally's previous 'scans' as it were. Her ability is in keeping with a lot of Blind Peoples developed senses in vibration, which allows one to monitor heart beats, tremors, anything that would indicate nervousness etc. that would give away a lie, much like real world lie detectors as has been pointed out before <_<

And real world lie detectors can be fooled. Did Romeyer look at all nervous or anything else there? She seems to be one cool cucumber under pressure and would probably easily be able to fool a lie detector. But she didn't fool Nunnally did she? So either she was more nervous than she let on or Nunnally read into her soul.

And no, Lelouch didn't actively say anything, you are right. But he WAS lying up to that point. You don't have to say anything to lie after all. Nunnally just read that the moment she touched his hand.

And you have absolutely none, not even straws to back up your argument which you're just pulling out of your ass now, at the very least I'm basing this on real precedent unlike you

Right. Because On-Screen death doesn't count or anything.

[Opi]

Originally Posted by RedWing

Plus all transfers of CODE have been shown to be voluntary (for the taker).

i dunno, but i dont think CC voluntarily took the code from the nun did she? considering she was like when the nun said "you have been tricked!" or whatever, i doubt it.

anyways, at first i thought lelouch died but after reading some of the speculation/theories, and then rewatching the last scene several times i'm pretty convinced he's alive.

the biggest thing that sort of hit me which i didn't notice at first was, if the cart driver is not lelouch, and lelouch is dead, then when CC talks aloud about Geass, the power of kings, and about Lelouch (most hated person on the planet ftw), the random farmer guy is going to be hearing what she's saying.......and that's not exactly something that you'd normally say around random strangers, is it?

[equinox822]

Originally Posted by RedWing

The nun asked her to take it. That wouldn't make sense if the nun could've just given it to her anyway.

Uh, what? Did you sleep through Episode 15? That is an absurd statement.

[tzia_n]

Originally Posted by edgewalker00

people should understand that all these are merely theories... if they think my post is worth pissing about then id be glad to watch them rage all out XD

cheers for this chaotic thread

now i kinda wish i was here for the shipping wars to compare the chaos of both

Originally Posted by Uchiha_Hai

Lol coming from the guy who didn't know about the memories transfering thing...I think you shoud re-watch this whole series and read every single post from 20 pages ago.

why not? shouldn't someone who assumes know one when he sees one? i kid, i kid

[Revolutionist]

Alright here's my latest theory, Lelouch knows he has Charles Code but knows that even if he can't die he has to be dead, that is disappear from people's lives because it would be more painful to stick around and watch as his loved ones pass away and he remains. As far as we know he could've talked to C.C and learned everything there is to know about the Code, and Geass. Perhaps she told him how the Code works. If you have to die for it to activate the scene of C.C crying doesn't suddenly stop making sense because she's crying that he's now going to suffer the same fate as her. Knowing that he has to disappear, can explain why Lelouch reveals the true plan to Nunnaly via mental images. He doesn't want her to live thinking that he's a despicable villain.

So everything is kinda left open to speculation and there's different ways to interpret things. Until it's proven he's officially dead*.

* Until we decide to milk the franchise more.

[RedWing]

Originally Posted by KrimzonStriker

It doesn't make sense at all period, we've only ever had one example of it, but it did take place regardless in this scene and that throws things into suspicion >_>

I don't know what happened in this scene. I think it was just to have a reason for nunnally to cry over her brother.

[eaglei3]

Originally Posted by bran

we've seen his hand a lot of times after the episode with the scene charles grabbed him
no code there

Codes do not always go into the same spot. If I remember right from side material, VV had the code on his shoulder before Charles took it.

Originally Posted by RedWing

The nun asked her to take it. That wouldn't make sense if the nun could've just given it to her anyway.

What? No she didn't. The nun basically said "LULZ, jokes on you. I fed you until your Geass got powerful, now here's my code."


And as for Nunnally seeing the memories, I actually do believe she saw them. I don't think she would have had that much of a sudden shock factor if she hadn't have seen them. Her response to how it happened also made it seem as if it was revealed to her, not like she figured it out.

[edgewalker00]

Originally Posted by RedWing

LOL. Memory transfer still doesn't make sense sorry.

sorry but the power of geass itself doesn't make sense... if they removed the geass part then might as well turn this series into another gundam show but with mechas with skates

[pilipok]

Originally Posted by bran

Nunally's words were "All this time you've...."

been lying?

i'm saying for the last time those scenes were there to only boost the death scene and show she understood something for herself graphically

also she was holding the hand where his code should be if he was immortal
and we saw numerous times there's no mark there
in charle's case he had gloves on we saw the code when he removed them
i assume it was there the moment the code was transfered

code can be on any part of ur body
VV was on his erm forget where go check it out
CC on the forehead
charles on his hand
so it doest mean it must be on one part of the body