2010-06-29, 14:48 | Link #12081 |
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Well, twisted logic is half the point of the games. A witch has to exist if a theory not involving a witch isn't found, and a witch has to be fake if a theory not involving a witch is found.
On the other hand, if Kinzo is still alive, why keep burning his corpse? And "Kinzo" is actually his real name... unlike with Shannon and Kanon, which are "Pseudonyms used only for work". |
2010-06-29, 14:56 | Link #12082 |
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The problem with Kinzo still being alive is it requires that he be evading not only everyone on the island (both the people who think he's dead and the ones who "know" he is), but also the red text and witch's narration, despite having no way of knowing that he needs to be doing so. If Kinzo were alive, he'd essentially be fooling the entire meta-world as well.
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2010-06-29, 15:02 | Link #12083 | |
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2010-06-29, 15:15 | Link #12084 |
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You made me do it! http://i50.tinypic.com/augtuo.jpg
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2010-06-29, 15:20 | Link #12085 |
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Well I'll start with this.
I can proclaim it with 100% certainty. The only mystery Ushiromiya Kinzo's body was involved in was his life or death status! Ushiromiya Kinzo's body was not involved nor did it have any influence in the murder of any other person on October 4th and 5th of 1986, and it was not involved in any kind of suicide either! Ushiromiya Kinzo's body had no relation to any of the slight of hand tricks that happened the two days I referred to earlier! This refers to any tricks where an object is replaced with another broken object or was placed out of sight in a place no one had seen it before. EDIT: of course these only refer to tricks involving actions from his body and not the body itself. Ushiromiya Kinzo's body was not involved in delivering any letters or umbrellas in the year 1986 In short no actions that could have any relation to the Rokkenjima mystery were related to any actions taken by Ushiromiya Kinzo's body! Regardless of any personalities this body may have had it was not involved in anything other than the presentation of a plot line murder and his death was already proclaimed previously with the red truth!
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2010-06-29, 15:23 | Link #12086 | |
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Like that of Kanon.
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2010-06-29, 15:46 | Link #12092 |
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This is possible in legal terms -- basically, in any country that has the concept of an organ donor, it is possible to will your own body after your death to become someone's property.
No practical use outside a comedic theory, though.
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2010-06-29, 15:52 | Link #12094 |
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Speaking of Asumu anybody think it would be funny if the way she died was in a plane crash? She seems to have the same fear of unfamiliar vehicles that Battler does, but there could always be another reason for his fear.
The way my red works is basically a rehash of the red about Jessica when Battler made a theory about her having another personality. So does she own another body too? (This is in response to Battler's statement about Jessica having multiple personalities.) No actions caused by Jessica's body had any relation to or influence on the murder of Nanjo
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2010-06-29, 16:02 | Link #12095 | |
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And worst of all, we got no good leads.
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2010-06-29, 16:10 | Link #12096 | |
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Furthermore the quote we have from Kyrie about her death is as dubious as Natsuhi praying to Beatrice to kill that baby from 19 years ago.
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2010-06-29, 16:29 | Link #12097 |
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Here's what I don't get: Touya claims she did "research" on the Ushiromiya family to fill in the gaps in her stories, including the Battler birth issue. Yet she apparently learned absolutely no further details about the death of Ushiromiya Asumu.
...What? Come on, at least the way she died and when would be pretty public knowledge. All we ever get out of it is Kyrie vaguely suggesting that Asumu did die and that she wasn't the one responsible, but she wanted to be. Of course going by some vague Touya/Featherinne = Piece of Some Other Meta-Character or Touya = Asumu theory, it would make a bit more sense, but if there was ever actually such a writer, her research has a remarkable hole in it.
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2010-06-29, 16:35 | Link #12098 | |
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Though, let me offer a chain of thought, maybe someone will know where it leads to next.
Kinzo basically gave up both prestige and money to get something that he could only get through Asumu. Now the question is, what the heck it could be?
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2010-06-29, 16:44 | Link #12099 |
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Well I don't think your giving Kyrie enough credit. She was to be the head of the Sumaderas at the time. I think she could have prepared something to get her out of trouble if she got caught. Like maybe she got the branch family's support since there seems to be fighting going on amongst them about her. We don't really know how the hierarchy of the Sumaderas works, but it seems to be a matriarchy.
You think Kinzo would have anything to gain from Rudolf having two sons? One of them being secret I guess?
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2010-06-29, 16:44 | Link #12100 |
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I'm not actually sure that Kinzo's plan would necessitate Kyrie staying alive in the manner you're suggesting. I always believed that Kinzo wanted Rudolf to marry Asumu and one of the conditions that Rudolf stacked on for agreeing would be to save Kyrie from the Sumadera. It still leaves why would Asumu be Kinzo's choice but...iono
edit: a thought, maybe Kinzo's decision to choose Asumu could have been a humbling condition put on Rudolf to keep him under his thumb? Like maybe Kinzo has some other wife lined up for Rudolf but he spurns that in favor of Kyrie. And when he comes to Kinzo for help, Kinzo forces him to marry a commoner who he doesn't love/know(?) in exchange? |
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