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View Poll Results: Critique of Episode 06 | |||
10 out of 10: Near Perfect... | 21 | 15.22% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent... | 28 | 20.29% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good... | 42 | 30.43% | |
7 out of 10 : Good... | 24 | 17.39% | |
6 out of 10 : Average... | 13 | 9.42% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average... | 4 | 2.90% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor... | 3 | 2.17% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad... | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad... | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Torturous... | 3 | 2.17% | |
Voters: 138. You may not vote on this poll |
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2012-08-16, 17:01 | Link #282 |
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Btw, change of topic please. The current topic is already done to death and I'm starting to feel further discussion would do more harm than good. So what if there's a hole here and there? What's important is we get to see Kirito being awesome, right? right? ;p
Say, about the jail-area thingy, is that really player administered? How does that work? It seems that very act of putting people in prison makes you an orange player, so are the admins of these jails a guild of some kind?
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2012-08-16, 17:23 | Link #283 | |
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2012-08-16, 17:50 | Link #284 | |
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So what if Kirito's fears didn't come true. He is just a 14 year old kid, he isn't omniscient. He stayed mostly by himself, it may not have been quite needed, but that doesn't make it a plot hole, just a mistake by him. Why would people that already met him develop amnesia and forget him because of what he did? Even more so for the ones who were there and realised why he did it? Asuna and Egil are obvious, but even others who were there either realised it then or got wiser in time. But I think that fiction series are not for you really. You seem to look for faults, even where there are none. That makes for a poor experience as series like these don't have time to explain every little detail. If you want to assume that everything that isn't explained is wrong somehow, then you will see flaws all over everytime. |
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2012-08-16, 18:07 | Link #285 | |
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There is nothing in existence that has no flaws. Believing otherwise mean you're a fool or a fanboy, or both. Sorry, doesn't imply you're any of those, but I sincerely hope you're being hyperbolic when you say "none". 2. Yet the friendly guys in the thread next over introduced me to this series with a strong point of how awesome it's attention to detail is. The small details really could make a whole world of difference in literature, so it's just natural for some people to be more critical when introduced to something allegedly attentive to details. Argh dammit. Just as I thought I would give the arguing a rest...
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2012-08-16, 18:25 | Link #286 | |
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The novels has a high attention to detail. But this was about the anime series and it doesn't have the same option to explain every little detail. |
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2012-08-16, 18:36 | Link #287 |
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Can we please swap topics? Or maybe just promise to leave these tired old arguments behind in a few days when the new episode airs?
It's really been beaten to death quite a lot. Over multiple episode threads. A lot of people are very happy with the pace / backstory / "show don't tell" aspects. Other people are disgusted with the... err... pace / backstory / "tell don't show" aspects. You'll never convince the other party, and we've been rehashing some of these topics for multiple episode threads. Heck, most of the stuff on the past few pages hasn't even been relevant to this episode. |
2012-08-16, 22:26 | Link #288 | |
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Anyways, one thing I'm amused by is I'm not all that bothered by the lack of action in this anime, including this episode. I was a lot more bored of .hack//sign in comparison, yes, it's blasphemy, but I didn't enjoy it that much. Off-topic: It came up a bit earlier, but if I recall I don't remember Tsukasa or BT ever casting a single spell in .hack//sign anime.. wonder what made the directors decide to do that? |
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2012-08-17, 01:38 | Link #289 | |
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Besides, since when does soloing in an MMO involve never being in a party? |
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2012-08-17, 01:54 | Link #290 |
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Being a solo just means he isn't in a guild. He still parties when the situation calls for it and can find party members. (Though there's probably more of a "trading favors" element than in guilds where it's considered part of your dues to the guild itself.)
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What I have concluded is that this show is neither character-driven nor action-driven. It is time-driven. Time skipping is the main driver of this show and that is what I now accept. Quote:
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Considering Kirito's played the beta, he knew what he was capable of handling (ie. take in only 1 man, but no more), since he's done the beginning content already. Quote:
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Thinking about it more, the Black Cats episode wasn't really connected to the Silica story, because if you cut the Black Cats story out, the Silica story still made sense, because that episode didn't introduce any new elements from ep 3 that wasn't in ep 1+2. What motivated Kirito to help? Because Kirito is a nice guy (Silica's own words). This is originally established in ep 1 (helping Klein), and further cemented by taking responsibility of being a beater. Why'd he give items and item to Silica? To repay the debt with his sister. Why reveal Kirito's a high level player? In his own words, he didn't want to scare Silica so he'd had a stable bait. If anything, the Black Cats story almost contradicts the Silica story because he should've been unfit to protect people, or at least shown some hesitation. Quote:
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Unfortunately, that whole solo player argument was taken out of context by multiple people and is now getting out of hand (sorry about that). The argument was we were shown the trials of a solo player, which I argued wasn't true (hence I summarized it down to 'what Kirito said -> what we saw') |
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2012-08-17, 03:39 | Link #292 |
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I don't think there have been "trials of a solo player". As for the lack of attempts on his life, the only ones who would actually care about that wouldn't be near Kirito's level anyways. Aside from that, from a narrative perspective, I don't think there are any points that need to be driven home by "assassination attempts". Bottomline is, he is a solo player. That doesn't mean he never parties up. For one, trying to clear floor bosses solo seems like suicide (not to mention unnecessary). What makes him a solo player is that he's not part of a guild and does whatever he feels is necessary at the moment, without having to run it by anyone. Grinding for exp, materials/items, gathering information, he does that stuff by himself. His network is probably limited to information guys and notable frontline guilds, rather than "people he parties up with often". None of this means he can't party up with people who at that moment share the same goal he does. Nor does it mean he can't help out people he comes across on a whim. Doesn't make him any less of a solo player, because after all has been said and done, he'll bugger off and go do his own thing again.
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At this point you need to think about the clearing group more as professional soldiers, not kids doing WOW raids.
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2012-08-17, 04:45 | Link #294 | |
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The people who wouldn't invite him are all the people who branded Kirito as the "beater" (ie. some of the frontliners). The whole point of being branded a "beater" was to prevent a mass witch-hunt against all other beta tester by redirecting all hatred towards him. He got the rare item from the boss (and showed it off), so they should also see that he's ninja-ing rare/boss items from their point of view. Would you party with a item ninja player? Also, the fact that low level players know about the "beater" implies that those people were spiteful enough spread the word. So either two things happened, there was a hunt (or multiple hunts) against Kirito, or everyone's ok with him. From what we've seen at this in time, people are ok with his presence, so if there was a hunt, how did he survive? Or how did he convince people he's not a threat? Or did every frontliner smarten up, and just say "whoops, we now know why you did that, sorry for ruining your reputation Kirito". But this is irrelevant now since we've time skipped. All we know is something happened which stopped Kirito's reputation from being a wanted man. Something. |
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2012-08-17, 06:31 | Link #295 | ||
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The loot from a boss, and any other monster/mob (from what we've been shown) in this MMO goes directly into the loot pool of a random party participant. A special 'rare' item in the loot pool of the floor bosses goes to whoever gets the final kill. We saw this when the tank guy (Diabel?) tried to get the final kill hit on the boss and failed, and Kirito later succeeded and got the cloak. There was no ninja'ing involved, as no one else had the option to obtain the item. It likely caused loot drama down the road, but it's not like he's still wearing the same cloak, and if you're concerned you give the 'beater' a roll that doesn't allow him access to the boss. A la episode 2 again, where you have Kirito on the trash. He still participates / helps / can save your bacon / is a high level player in a tough life and death battle, but is less likely to be able to get the rare item at the end. Quote:
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2012-08-17, 07:37 | Link #296 | |
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What we see is 2-> fill in blank -> 3 -> fill in blank -> 4 -> fill in blank -> 5&6 Ep 2 already explains the loot rules, or sufficient enough to understand the potential implications. Instead of exploring the implication based on the item he received in that boss fight, which would strongly tie a sense of progression, a time skip and a new, different item is used to deal with the implications (hence, loose connection). Ninja'ing might not have been the exact word I'm looking for (near enough, though), but the idea that he/other beta testers knew certain mechanics involving how to get rare items, which in their view, he used to his advantage to guarantee he obtained it. What's stopping others to think he'd wouldn't do it again? To be honest, if I didn't trust Kirito in the frontline, I'd argue he could potentially let people die against the boss so he'd take the rare item. Wait, isn't that how they think they saw what happened with the tank guy...? He's been in multiple meetings since that weaponsmith guy asks why he keeps arguing with Asuna, but you're correct we don't know whether he's actually part of fighting the actual bosses. But with my argument above, I wouldn't want him anywhere near the boss area, since he might sneak in the last hit via letting players die. How he gained their trust is beyond what we've been shown (ie. not important). We learn there are PK prevention mechanics, but we also learn there are exploits as well. Why no one attempted an exploit on him is a mystery (though, we guess he's smart enough to have figured out all the possible ways so we don't get any episodes exploring on how he dealt with it) |
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2012-08-17, 07:43 | Link #297 | ||
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His failure involving the Black Cats explains why he's never tried to join another guild, the guilt was undoubtedly eating away at him. Why does he hunt down that PK guild? Because it was a means to redeem himself for what happened earlier. Sure Kirito's a nice guy, but it's simplistic to believe that that was his only motive. Quote:
These two episodes contribute to the Kirito we see in this recent mystery arc, someone who can find peace in his current situation and who's still a solo player despite all this time. If either episode were cut, we'd get an incomplete picture of Kirito as he is now. |
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2012-08-17, 08:26 | Link #298 | ||
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I don't consider it a redemption story, it's about a good guy doing a good deed. If he needs motive to do something, what's his reason for solving the mystery murder in this story? I'd say good guy doing good deed (well, he was also intrigued on how players were bypassing the PK prevention mechanics). As for finding restful moments, considering the whole beater issue is effectively ignored, ignoring the whole Black Cats guilt isn't any different at all. |
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2012-08-17, 08:50 | Link #299 |
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The reason for solving the murder mystery is to discover what kind of exploit allowed someone to die in town. If such an exploit exists, it would affect everyone, including himself. It's not just a matter of protecting others, it's also self-preservation. When it turned out not to be an exploit, he immediately decided it wasn't his problem anymore.
The fact that he went and saved them from Laughing Coffin was because he's a nice guy though. |
2012-08-17, 09:00 | Link #300 |
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Re: "BEATER BEATER BEATER BEATER BEATER"
Why, oh WHY do people think that after like FIFTY floors, which is WAY beyond how far the beta testers got, that the whole "Beater" thing is even relevant to anyone seriously trying to beat this game? |
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