2007-08-12, 01:19 | Link #1061 | |
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Anyway today episode is entitles "Sortie in the System"... what the hell is this system? I don't think it's Sol System because it was freed already, so perhaps it's the system where Kodomos is. Who knows... it would be time, don't you think? She received the order to attack Age two episodes ago, and in the last one she was still talking... |
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2007-08-12, 08:04 | Link #1062 |
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After episode 18, it's clear that humans are the second biggest bastard in the universe, with the Goldies being the biggest one
I don't know if Holocaust survivors will want to kill children of Nazi's, but I do know the Silvers clearly won't do anything like that under similar situation. It's "meaningless" to them. And if the Holocaust survivors indeed want to kill children of Nazi's, then indeed from the POV of the whole universe, that makes the humans more bastards than the Silvers. And that's actually Rom Ro's point, humans acting on "emotions" doing senseless dangerous things makes them the bastards that need to be exterminated. From how well the Earth is preserved, we do know neither the Silvers nor the Bronze has done anything like incinerating half of the planet and destroying the whole eco-system even when they deemed it's necessary to exterminate humans and conquered Earth. They only do want they deem necessary, not trying to get senseless revenge, like they never bother to do anything to Titarus even when they showed open defiance, after the Nodoss and humans (the only ones they deem necessary to be destroyed) left. And from what happened so far, I don't think the Silvers would even bother to attack the humans if the Goldies didn't leave humans a Nodoss. Yes acting on emotions and wanting to kill Nazi's children may make humans... "human", but that's what makes the humans big bastards in Heroic Age's universe, when none of the other races would do such a thing. |
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2007-08-12, 09:32 | Link #1065 |
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hipeach I don't care why the Silvers tried the genocide on humans: the crime still remains no matter the reasons. I don't understand why you put the Silvers on a superior level only because they used they so-called logic, while humans are following their istincts and feelings. They're on the same level.
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2007-08-12, 09:43 | Link #1066 | |
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2007-08-12, 09:52 | Link #1067 | |
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So far what we have been told is that the Silvers have helped a lot of other races and it hasn't been made clear why the Silvers hate the Irons. Also its not really made clear who attacked first... All it takes is one trigger happy scout and you have an interstellar crisis. Not that I am saying I think that happened. Now the main issues we have is that Irons don't understand the Silvers, they know hardly anything about them. Add this with the fact that the Silvers seemingly give up their emotions. That combined is a recipe for disaster. As a race humans are notorious for their lack of understanding of others even within their own race, now consider dealing with a race which lack what the Irons would consider natural reactions. Ofc this argument could be used the other way, as the Silvers could also have issues dealing with the emotional humans, but how does that explain how the Silvers apparently get on with the other races? Right now personally I think there is not enough hard facts to judge who is right or wrong, and as I said earlier to me the bad guys do look like the Golds for leaving the universe in such a state.
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2007-08-12, 10:15 | Link #1069 |
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sheesh whats going on in this thread. Politics has no place in anim (outside of its context). Comparing anime politics to RL politics is just plain stoopid.
That said, my grand father IS a survivor of the holocaust, and a survivor of a nazi camp, he lost 4 fingers and a foot during his time there. He hates nazis, but he dosent hate their children. You can not blame a child for something he wasnt even born to see. As for all the other wars going on, what the hell do you expect us to do? If we were to interven in every war going on accross the world we'd be wiped out. I dispise war, ive seen what it can do close up as a volunteer in a few war torn places. However i also understand that reality is never what we want. Anyways, back onto the show. I gave this u after the 5th episode, i got bored of watching age beating the smeg out of everything easily. I picked it up again recently and was glad to see that he does start to have a hard time of it after a while. Oh, and does anyone mind if i kidnap Tayle and Mayle, i want to take a shower with them aswell I'd take Hime aswell, but wiuth such impure thoughts id not get near here ROFLMAO |
2007-08-12, 11:40 | Link #1070 |
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Why the other races get on well with the Silver Tribe? Well it's quite simple: if they don't do that they're wiped out, Titarros is a good example of that. They dared to disobey the Silver Tribe and they sent lots of bugs battleships to wipe out the planet.
The Silvers want to destroy the humans because they are the only Tribe who can put up a fight against them (well... let's say so, even if humans ships got owned evrey time...), not to mention that they have a Nodoss. Anyway regarding the genocide thing: I think it must be avoided at all costs if possible, but if Deianeira has to choose between her Tribe and Silver Tribe then the Silvers can go to hell. |
2007-08-12, 15:50 | Link #1072 | |
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They're superior, the Iron Tribe are dangerous and other crap like that... the Silvers Spoiler for episode 19:
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ONLY wanting power does indeed shows that the Silvers are all LOGIC, instead of humans full of emotions for meaningless revenge Now you mentioned that, I guess humans lead by Cagalli and Lacus after GSD will quite possibly end up like the Silvers (and I hate them in GSD ) Last edited by hipeach; 2007-08-12 at 21:08. |
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2007-08-12, 20:40 | Link #1076 |
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well, Paeto's emotions are forced into him by Deionarra, and like Promei said, maybe it's not possible to truly get rid of all emotions, but the Silvers did try and become as much logic and rational thinking as possible. And so far it seems humans is the only tribe that's being driven by emotions to this extent, the other races do have emotions, but apparently they don't fanatically dwell upon their homeworlds or dish out violence out of emotions as much.
As for the Silvers emotions, they actually do show many emotions as shown by Promei and Yuti, just that those others who supposedly passed their own emotions to Promei show little emotions and seem to be all silent logic. But then they are all just shining white figures with no faces |
2007-08-12, 20:48 | Link #1077 |
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Nodos contractors are forced to carry full emotions, actually. They mentioned this is an earlier episode. So Yuti is fully functional, but just really prideful
In this episode Romuro showed something equivalent to bitter confusion. Enough that Promei felt it. |
2007-08-12, 21:02 | Link #1078 |
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well, they are forced to carry emotions, but that doesn't mean they are forced to carry emotions not of themselves. It seems if those Silvers did not pass their emotions to Promei, they'd be as emotional as Yuti and Promei, but still not to the extent as the humans.
I'm sure they are bothered that the humans are like the Goldies. But then the Goldies are the biggest bastard here anyway |
2007-08-12, 21:34 | Link #1079 |
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I don't see how they are the biggest bastards
If anything they taught some of their knowledge to at least 4 tribes and saved the galaxy from being destroyed by the Hero race. And even if a Nodes is used for destruction, it is still the contracted tribe's will that determines how a Nodos should be used the Golds never said something along the lines of "use these Nodos to wipe each other out and become the sole ruler of cosmos" |
2007-08-12, 22:30 | Link #1080 |
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well, it seems that both Promei and Deionarra are coming to the conclusion that the whole galactic war is planned by the Goldies right from the start. Which is quite understandable since they can forsee the future. the Goldies never openly tell the other races to use the nodoss for destruction, but they did know for sure that they'll be used for destruction once given to the other races. they even know beforehand Jupiter's destruction and Deionarra's rise to power. So they fully know the consequences of giving the nodoss to the other races, and they personally raised Age to give him to the humans, knowing the galactic war that follows. From the Silvers meeting before the Jupiter war, it's apparent that without the Goldies meddlings, the Silvers won't find much reason to attack humans from the first place.
Currently the Goldies are definitely protrayed as the biggest bastard who play around with the other races while leaving the universe in a mess. Well, maybe they'll pull a Paul/Leto II Atreides aka. Dune style (who started a jihad killing billions, and then enslaved the whole human race for thousands years, all for the sake of humanity's survival), revealing later that the Goldies manipulated the galactic war for the sake of the races survival and prosperity, but they are definitely the hands behind the whole mess. |
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