2014-05-15, 19:34 | Link #61 | |
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Apparently, showing strong (physically and mentally) female characters without pigeon-holing them into 'tard streotypes is making a political statement. Nice to know we are living in 1800's.
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2014-05-15, 22:21 | Link #62 | |
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or goku told her not too. remember how pissed krillin was when goku said stopku lmao. (stole that one from an avatar here also. the meteors from the kage fight was just chibaku tensei?! whack also. the author appeared to draw some concern/surprise on sasukes face when sakura jumped out (like a boss). but he is hypersensitivity to battle and ultimate reacted like he was suppose to. i think he cares. he just knows that now is not the time to be distracted by such things
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2014-05-15, 22:44 | Link #63 | ||
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There are plenty of manga where all the strong leads happen to be females, there are of course those where the strong leads are male, and then there are those that are pretty balanced. So what? Its not like this manga was about super amazon female-ninja and then suddenly there are no female leads. At what point did you expect this to change? After reading 100 chapters? 200? 500? Quote:
She noticed Sasuke's indifference when it was contrasted by Naruto's concern. Earlier in this fight she had a fake smile because her instincts tell her something is still not right about Sasuke. These are simply very brief forshadowing hints for the conflict later on. I mean, she simply took a glance and had a thought in three small panels, is this really such a big deal? I think this may actually turn out to be a bit more interesting than it seems. It could be that Sasuke did try to help her, but she simply didn't have the ability to see or "sense" that the other Madara shadow Sasuke attacked (or blocked?) was about to attack her. From her perspective its just "some kind of wall". (The following is not necessarily directed towards Eragon, though I'm sure it applies to you.) ...And poor Sakura can just do no good. If she stood by and did nothing people would use that to fuel some ridiculous tirade about Kishimoto hating women. Yet she jumps in and tries to help -as opposed to what several people thought she'd do- and its still somehow used against her. She was not given the power of the sage like Sasuke and Naruto, but she tried to do something anyhow, how is this a bad thing? She's bashed whether she's fighting or healing, what can she do that would make you people satisfied? |
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2014-05-15, 22:59 | Link #64 | |
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2014-05-15, 23:56 | Link #65 |
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It's true, no matter what happens the complainers will always find something to complain about. This is the result of both Kishi's and Kubo's awful writing when it comes to displaying the strength of a character, regardless of gender.
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2014-05-16, 04:04 | Link #67 |
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for me, i expected it after the 3 year time skip. sakura was grown up and supposedly matured and then she had a significant hand in taking down an akatsuki member. it looked like she was finally a legitimate main character and member of team 7. but then she was knocked unconscious by kabuto at the heaven and earth bridge and it was all poor weak sakura since then. she's supposed to be a ninja and all we get is an emotional nurse with a one-sided crush (who can bash things really hard when it doesn't effect the plot). the only way to explain it aside from kishi's writing of females would be if she were uchiha like obito being an emotional wreck, but she isn't.
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2014-05-16, 08:05 | Link #69 | |
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Naruto does not promote any false gender stereo types. Naruto follows the same plot as most Shonnen Anime. The main characters gets strong…friends try to keep up, but as time goes on they become useless and are reduced to spectators. sakura is not playing house while Naruto is fighting Madara. Every female Ninja in Naruto is just as able as their male counterpart. It just so happen that the Mangaka chose to focus on 2 male lead. You may be confusing your inferiority complex with sexism; otherwise I am not sure how you could translate an innocent manga such as Naruto as sexist. If you are looking for an Anime or Manga where the female characters do most of the fighting and most of the rescuing, I recommend Mai Hime. It’s a great Anime. You will feel right at home. Until then you can take to twitter and promote the hashtag “Remove sexism from Naruto” It could be the beginning of a revolution
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2014-05-16, 08:12 | Link #70 | ||
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I remember when Sakura fooled all the rookies and went after Sasuke herself, I thought that was pretty ninja-like and showed gumption. Yet, instead of realizing this, people called her "stupid", an "idiot", etc. for doing it, despite the fact that she probably saved several of the rookies lives that way. Yes, she ultimately choked at the end when she couldn't bring herself to kill Sasuske, but so did Sarutobi(twice) when he couldn't bring himself to kill Oro, yet no one eviscerates his character for not being able to kill someone he loves who turned evil --which can also be called "sexist" in an of itself if we're being that anal about things. Quote:
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2014-05-16, 10:00 | Link #72 | ||
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I mean the the facts don’t lie: Only 2 of the 5 Kages are Women. Look at the Legendary Tsunade for example; she is always portrayed in the traditional, stereotypical negative gender role… she is a drunk, brute, and decisive leader. Remember against Orochimaru – Jiraiya was handicapped by drugs; and Tsunade by her trauma of blood. The only thing Tsunade did was defeat Manda (one of the strongest summons) and punch the crap out of Orochimaru. Jiraiya on the other hand was showing one flashy move after another. I am glad that at times like this; common sense can still prevail…. Thanks Artful-Dodger. Just curious, is your forum name, Artful Dodger, a reference to the U.K garage group or Oliver Twist? Quote:
And what about Kakashi; he became useless after the Zabusa fight. He was a main character and a member of team 7. Do you think the Mangaka has something against the partially blind?
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As for a few counters, I'd say Temari, Tsunade, Anko, and Mei Terumi are good counters to the female stereotypes you're complaining about. None of them take any shit from anyone and they don't act like Sakura when it comes to their love interests(those that have them). Again, this manga has some bad-ass females, the problem is that we don't get a chance to see them in action --just as we didn't get to see interesting people like Neji, Rock Lee, and the others in part II, who were really cool in part I. I don't see this as a sexism issue, this is simply the problem with the dumbass shounen law where one or two guys get all the attention, focus, and power-ups. People like me, "Midnight Commander" and others discussed this plenty of times. Its why the war arc was so disappointing: it was a big chance for all the cool characters to show us something new after being out of the story for so long, yet they were trivialized even more. At least Sakura is given the opportunity to do something more than hold Naruto's Rasengan balls. Quote:
My name is in reference to how I'm able to dodge and escape the points in forum debates so craftily! j/k. I'm familiar with the band and I've read Oliver Twist but I simply just like the name :P. If its in reference to anything it would be Oliver Twist though. I think James asked me the same question when I just joined lol Last edited by Hunter; 2014-05-18 at 17:47. |
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2014-05-16, 16:34 | Link #77 |
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oh you two...
there's a lot wrong with what you said, but based on your answers you won't acknowledge it. so to keep it simple, i'd love to hear an explanation as to why the weakest link in every team is the girl character. and if you want to quibble about one or two girls being tied for last or something, then explain why a girl isn't the strongest in any team please |
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hey, thats sasuke's rinnegan on the moon...what a twist!
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2014-05-16, 23:59 | Link #79 | |
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Karin is probably stronger than both Jugo and Suigetsu. Tayuya's genjutsu was the only Sound Four technique that Kabuto used that was really a threat to Sasuke and Itachi. They were lucky they were within eyeshot of eachother. Konan wasn't the weakest in Akatsuki. Obito had to use Izanagi just to not die. Mei isn't the weakest of the current kage either. She's probably stronger than Gaara at least. |
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2014-05-17, 00:41 | Link #80 | |
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Like Artful Dodger explained earlier, we never got a chance to see the development of many of the characters, male and female, so I can’t tell you if Ino is stronger than Choji, or if Sakura is more useful than Sai; Let’s say for a minute that you are right, do you think that the statistics in Naruto are far off from real life statistics. Someone in this forum said there are no African Americans in Naruto because of the setting. Well in a military setting, in in real life, men on average, do better than their female counterparts on Physical Fitness assessments. Yes they are plenty of women stronger than men; there are plenty of women that can kick my butt..., but the key is “on average”
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