2009-11-10, 22:16 | Link #4181 |
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I think that a trap is viable for Kanon's death in episode 1:
1) The boiler room was poorly lit. 2) Nobody had been in there up to that point. Those two points make a trap set off by a tripwire (or alternately a pull-cord) possible. (It's still very chancy, though.) |
2009-11-10, 22:21 | Link #4183 | |
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Radiowaves also are valid as long as they cannot physically interfere with the inside.
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2009-11-10, 22:26 | Link #4184 |
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Another idea, what if we're too focused on bombs?
Rokkenjima is an isolated island, and in it are three hotel-sized buildings which presumably are fully powered. The power requirements for Rokkenjima are simply huge, considering the number of people it has. Consider if the storm causes a problem in the electric grid, snapping a power cable, perhaps, or a generator malfunction. The generator (in the boiler room?) at this point should be gas powered (which means its flammable *and* explosive). It should also be very, very large. Large enough to cause a substantial catastrophe, or kill anyone unfortunate enough to be close to it in the case of malfunction. Alternatively, a snapped power cable landing on the ground, conveniently covered with water, due to rain. In the first, it would also explain the event of the disturbance in the boiler room in Ep1. Someone was messing with the generator, potentially rigging it to explode at some time. It would also explain why if you're inside the mansion after a certain point (where the boiler room is), you die. Obviously, while an explosion is assured, there won't be a definite time, so it is in effect *both* a timebomb and a murder method dependent on chance (only that it will happen "soon"). |
2009-11-10, 22:47 | Link #4186 | |
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In any case, an exploding boiler set as the "catastrophe", with Unknown culprit X messing with it, as supported by episode 1 and Kanon's murder scene, seems viable. It would move suspicions out of an unlikely (and frankly unstoppable) freak event like a landslide or tidal wave, back into a human murderer being capable of taking everyone out and erasing all evidence, while still being physically absent (or dead). Also, I wouldn't put it past Ryushiki to have it as a "Shining" reference (a hotel with a checkered history is destroyed through a boiler explosion). Taken as that, Maria can be a Shining reference as well (a troubled child who can see spirits). Last edited by Neofio3; 2009-11-10 at 23:04. |
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2009-11-10, 23:55 | Link #4187 |
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Hmmm. If that was the case...Kinzo being burned in the boiler room...while it brings people down there, it would distract them from checking anything in the room because their focus would be on the burnt corpse.
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2009-11-11, 10:27 | Link #4188 |
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You know, there is something that had been bugging me since a while.
In the Golden Land, Ange actually used magic, even though Beato's red statement specifically prohibited magic besides her own. So, I ask. What are the odds of Beatrice actually being Ange? I remember she said something about the incidewnt being her fault, or something like that. For that matters. How much of the red text is actually relevant? The red truth can be used for anything, right? From saying simple things such as your own name to deny theories in blue. Just to troll, since Battler has shown that he can use the red truth why he didn't try to deny witches in red? Unlikely but I reckon it would have been funny. |
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2009-11-11, 11:19 | Link #4191 | |
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Ange brought Sakutarou back to Golden Land because she saw Sakutarou in captain's cabin. The fact that Rosa did resurrect Sakutarou was made known to 1998 Ange. Beatrice's magic could not do so because she did not believe Rosa remade Sakutarou, while Ange could do so because she sincerely believed so and was the truth indeed. This was regarded as true magic since it achieved what was deemed impossible by Beatrice. "Magic" indeed, since it was a miracle from the Beatrice's point of view. Being miraculous is what defines magic, right? Last edited by ijriims; 2009-11-11 at 11:51. |
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2009-11-11, 15:02 | Link #4192 | |
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-This is my Golden Land. A world where any magic other than my own definitely cannot exist. Of course "her magic" refers to her own magic, but she denied any other magic.
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2009-11-11, 15:07 | Link #4193 |
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Beatrice's magic is the magic of the golden witch and her endless magic...since Ange is "Beatrice" in 1998...she has the same magic...therefore she is using Beatrice's magic and does not defy the red text.
Red text suggests that the magic of Bern and Lambda can't interfere.
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2009-11-11, 15:18 | Link #4194 |
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Why Beatrice would try to pull trick in that situation? She said that because she was genuinely convinced that Ange couldn't perform magic there. Also Ange herself said that her "magic" is different than Beatrice's magic.
To me the simple solution is that Ange's magic isn't magic at all, she just calls it magic. It is most probable that what Ange showed to Maria was Sakutarou, and I mean a real Sakutarou in cloth and cottons. That's what Ange means by "real magic".
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2009-11-11, 16:11 | Link #4195 | |
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I wouldn't be too surprised if, in the end, Battler is able to tear apart the second, third, fourth, however many there will be games, only to get stuck back at the first. Natsuhi's death may have been brought about with an opponent's gun leveled at her, but there were no unidentified corpses or body-double tricks and all of the survivors had alibis (all stated in red). Unless someone has a way around that... |
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2009-11-11, 16:22 | Link #4196 |
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All unidentified corpes have their identity proven...but what about the identified corpses? Are they proven to be dead (corpses)? Also being classified as "dead" is a great alibi. No one would suspect someone that is suppose to be dead of killing someone else.
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2009-11-13, 04:09 | Link #4198 |
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Fair warning: This theory has a lot of problems and is merely a "first attempt" to actually untangle ep4's death order. I actually have several orders I'm considering.
Before I start with the theories themselves, here's the general reasoning: Spoiler for How I'm Approaching Ep4:
Spoiler for Okay, So What?:
From this, imagine two scenarios: "George Dead" and "George Alive." Spoiler for George Dead:
Spoiler for George Alive:
These are just kernels of ideas. I think I can come up with much better ones as I narrow down just who could have died and when. I want to stress that this is 90% guesswork based on a few shaky assumptions. For instance, if "Kyrie's group" doesn't refer to the people shown in the magic scene, this entire thing is rubbish. There's also very little to explain the differences in killing methods, though I gave it a go. Still, I figured someone ought to give it a try. |
2009-11-13, 20:41 | Link #4199 |
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Only recently have I begun thinking about the mystery aspect of the story. In order to start making a theory I began with some basic core assumptions that I would build it around. One of those is based on analyzing the red truth for the final mystery: "Battler's killer in episode 4 is not human."
However I find it hard to believe he was killed by a trap or a bomb or something like that. If there is a "time bomb" or something similar in Rokkenjima then why was there no sign of such an event in any of the police investigations, and why did Eva survive in episode 3 since presumably she didn't actually know where Kuwadorian was? My thoughts: Spoiler for Ep4 final mystery analysis:
Edit: Actually, now that I look at it written down like this, I can understand the idea of a trap set specifically for Battler. If the person who set the trap (Beatrice) is dead, then their dead body is here, on the island, and that doesn't prevent them from "killing" Battler. I still don't really see a time bomb due to the above reasons. |
2009-11-13, 21:14 | Link #4200 |
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For the animal theory, wouldn't it be the animal who killed Battler, and not Beatrice? Considering the red text in which she specifically says that she will kill him. After all, an animal can not be viewed the same way as an object or a weapon, it is another life form altogether....
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