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Deltaray · 2012-11-01, 20:37

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Originally Posted by novalysis

The ending of the episode was an impressive twist and curveball.

Hands up. How many saw it coming?

I suspect we are now way out of the Introduction, and into the thick of the main plot.

But of course, Mahiro's sisters' quotation of Hamlet suggest that the Fruits of Genesis and Exodus is only part of the story here. There may be something more here, beyond the Kusakabe's clan's philosophy and cosmology.

Well this is a series where you shouldnt trust anything, and where everything seems to come out of the blue

TimeSkip · 2012-11-01, 20:59

What's going on here? In the first episode we saw Hakaze burst out of the barrel, didn't we?

She can't be a ghost. A ghost doesn't get hungry and eat fish.

Didn't Samon say he wanted to keep Hakaze alive in case things got out of hands?

How is she going to do anything if she just a pile of bones in a barrel?

LKK · 2012-11-01, 21:04

What if the skeleton in the barrel is really Aki's? We know her death was brutal but we don't know what was done to her. What if she were torn apart to serve as the body double of the "dead" Hakaze?

thundrakkon · 2012-11-01, 21:43

^ That's along the same lines I was thinking. However, it could be that Aki's life force was used to keep Hakaze alive in an alternate.

Of course, the ultimate crazy theory is that the Hakaze on the island is actually Aki, with Hakaze somehow in control of it. For example, kidnap Aki, replace her with a fake dead body, transplant Hakaze's essence into Aki, and dump the body on the island.

Then again, as mentioned in the show, logic as we know it might be skewed.

Vladrave · 2012-11-01, 21:44

All i know is the barrel probably have some creepy magic on it.

mechalord · 2012-11-01, 22:16

Aika may have never existed. She may be a false memory implanted into both Mahiro and Yoshino and she could be the head mage of the Exodus tree cult or part of some cult that worships it. Magic is involved, anything can happen. Aika and Hakaze... both mages. Mahiro and Yoshino... could come from mage bloodlines as well. Something happened... some memory altering probably happened.

The hairpins on Yoshino may have a spell placed on them.

Aika may be the head priestess of the Exodus Tree cult. We know the Genesis tree has its own followers. Why not the Exodus tree?

Genesis tree cult went rogue. Who put them up to it?

Aika may be a master of Chaos magic and she may indeed be able to cheat death, whereas it would be harder for Hakaze to do so.

Those darn hairpins... something is up with those.

orion · 2012-11-01, 23:04

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Originally Posted by TimeSkip

What's going on here? In the first episode we saw Hakaze burst out of the barrel, didn't we?

She can't be a ghost. A ghost doesn't get hungry and eat fish.

Didn't Samon say he wanted to keep Hakaze alive in case things got out of hands?

How is she going to do anything if she just a pile of bones in a barrel?

Then there is prob a way to reconstitute her body. If we're seeing realtime interactions, then maybe time must be flowing differently on the island and we have a Shroedinger's cat due to the Tree of Genesis protecting her.

DragoonKain3 · 2012-11-02, 00:44

More Aika is both <3 and :'( for me.

Well, Aika specifically mentions everything happens for a reason in that world? Well, that settles it, Aika and/or her death is involved in this Genesis vs Exodus war in some way, shape or form. And with her in the mix, tbqh I wasn't surprised that Hakaze is supposedly dead.

creb · 2012-11-02, 01:33

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Originally Posted by orion

we have a Shroedinger's cat due to the Tree of Genesis protecting her.

Pretty much this, and a lot of the success (in my eyes) of this show is going to be how it is explained as the series unfolds. I imagine that's kind of half the point of watching this series unfold (the other half being how Aika is connected to everything).

As much as I can't help but think Aika has a larger part to play in some way, I also can't help but think how beautiful it would be if her fate really was just to lay the events into motion as we're seeing it unfold in present time.

Mercurius.H · 2012-11-02, 04:34

Spoiler for Ep.5:

SQA · 2012-11-02, 05:28

They Chekov's Gunned the fact something didn't quite add up, but I completely didn't see that twist coming. Though it was nice they explained why there was a massive hole in the mountain at the clan's village.

But if we assume that Hakaze is "dead in the current time frame", that means it's been greater than the 131 days she's been on the island. If Aika-chan was killed 11 months before, that puts Hakaze on the island around the same time that Aika-chan was murdered by one of the clan members (or before).

Though it could be more like a "World Lines" concept, so could the Black Iron Syndrome actually ships those people to another World Line as well? Leaving them "dead" in one Line and "alive" in the other? It's always seemed like those that died to the Black Iron could be brought back.

Or there could be two copies of Hakaze by some means. Which might be what actually caused all of this in the first place, making Samon & crew actually in some way "in the Right", but their methods have gone too far.

Still, if Hakaze is dead and that is her body in the barrel (why is it still kept in the barrel? Obviously some magic there), then Samon has a way to resurrect Hakaze, in case of a breakdown of their plan. Which does explain how they'll, maybe, get Aika-chan back at series end (I imagine that'll come up at series end, if it's going to be 24+ episodes)

So many possibilities, can't wait for ep 6!

garbage · 2012-11-02, 06:38

well this suddenly turned interesting , when both of your Female Leads turns out to be dead...
but are they really? ...well at least it explains one of my nagging thoughts > I mean a "princess" used to having magic, suddenly powerless and alone on a deserted island surviving for 131 days, with only a barrel and her current clothes, looking quite spiffy too...

Eclipze · 2012-11-02, 08:03

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Originally Posted by garbage

well this suddenly turned interesting , when both of your Female Leads turns out to be dead...
but are they really? ...well at least it explains one of my nagging thoughts > I mean a "princess" used to having magic, suddenly powerless and alone on a deserted island surviving for 131 days, with only a barrel and her current clothes, looking quite spiffy too...

She has all the time in the world to work out. Or she has a naturally high metabolism rate.

Blaat · 2012-11-02, 12:58

Times like these I wish I didn't cave in and read the manga now I have to miss out on the fun speculation.

Anyway I'm really loving the OST, reminds me of Chevalier D'Eon at times.

garbage · 2012-11-02, 13:24

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Originally Posted by Eclipze

She has all the time in the world to work out. Or she has a naturally high metabolism rate.

oh but that would be a disadvantage really in a deserted island scenario, where lack of food is more of a problem than over-eating....

Drexon · 2012-11-02, 13:44

So does anyone else think that magician with the spear looks like Inspector Gadget?

Grey coat, hat....

http://www.myanimeblog.com/uploads/H...5-1024x576.jpg

http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs70/i/20...or-d33k9db.jpg

Awrya · 2012-11-02, 13:57

Decent episode.

Hakaze nearly destroyed a mountain with a mouth piercing? What could she accomplish if she used an iPhone

So episode ends with Samon picking up a skull from a barrel and Junichirou confirmed that he saw Hakaze's skull. Since it was already stated by Hakaze that reviving is impossible, looking forward to how they'll bring her to the Exodus tree.

king12354 · 2012-11-02, 20:22

I wonder what Samon means when he refers that the "Princess is still inside a barrel." Is he referring to Hakaze or another princess? Why is that a trump card?

If Hakaze really is dead, it doesn't seem to surprise Samon and co. that she is somehow helping the two guys go against them.

Jerseykid · 2012-11-02, 20:32

epic plot twist!

Master_Yoma · 2012-11-02, 20:53

Spoiler for Why:

2012-11-01, 21:04	Link #383
LKK Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Virginia, USA Age: 62	What if the skeleton in the barrel is really Aki's? We know her death was brutal but we don't know what was done to her. What if she were torn apart to serve as the body double of the "dead" Hakaze? __________________ Avatar: Hazuki of Natsuyuki Rendezvous / Signature: flowers from Natsuyuki Rendezvous

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thundrakkon Anime-Only Viewer Graphic Designer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: USA	^ That's along the same lines I was thinking. However, it could be that Aki's life force was used to keep Hakaze alive in an alternate. Of course, the ultimate crazy theory is that the Hakaze on the island is actually Aki, with Hakaze somehow in control of it. For example, kidnap Aki, replace her with a fake dead body, transplant Hakaze's essence into Aki, and dump the body on the island. Then again, as mentioned in the show, logic as we know it might be skewed. __________________

2012-11-02, 00:44	Link #388
DragoonKain3 Osana-Najimi Shipper Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Mt. Ordeals	More Aika is both <3 and :'( for me. Well, Aika specifically mentions everything happens for a reason in that world? Well, that settles it, Aika and/or her death is involved in this Genesis vs Exodus war in some way, shape or form. And with her in the mix, tbqh I wasn't surprised that Hakaze is supposedly dead. __________________ Yes its YOU childhood friend - source of BERZERKER RAGE since forever Childhood Friend couple STATISTICS(spoilers abound though)

2012-11-02, 04:34	Link #390
Mercurius.H King of Hg Join Date: Apr 2011	Spoiler for Ep.5: There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy. This is one of my favorite lines in Hamlet. This ep, both the adaptions and minor original contents are generally good. However, fives eps to cover manga vol.1 makes me to what a extent could this show go. __________________ Cuius rei subscriptionem mirabilem sane detexi hanc marginis exiguitas non caperet. I have discovered a truly remarkable signature which this margin is too small to contain.

2012-11-02, 12:58	Link #394
Blaat Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004	Times like these I wish I didn't cave in and read the manga now I have to miss out on the fun speculation. Anyway I'm really loving the OST, reminds me of Chevalier D'Eon at times. __________________ MyAnimeList

2012-11-01, 20:59	Link #382
TimeSkip Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011	What's going on here? In the first episode we saw Hakaze burst out of the barrel, didn't we? She can't be a ghost. A ghost doesn't get hungry and eat fish. Didn't Samon say he wanted to keep Hakaze alive in case things got out of hands? How is she going to do anything if she just a pile of bones in a barrel?

2012-11-01, 21:44	Link #385
Vladrave The Dark Slayer Join Date: Aug 2012	All i know is the barrel probably have some creepy magic on it.

2012-11-01, 22:16	Link #386
mechalord Deploying Funnel Cakes Join Date: Jan 2008	Aika may have never existed. She may be a false memory implanted into both Mahiro and Yoshino and she could be the head mage of the Exodus tree cult or part of some cult that worships it. Magic is involved, anything can happen. Aika and Hakaze... both mages. Mahiro and Yoshino... could come from mage bloodlines as well. Something happened... some memory altering probably happened. The hairpins on Yoshino may have a spell placed on them. Aika may be the head priestess of the Exodus Tree cult. We know the Genesis tree has its own followers. Why not the Exodus tree? Genesis tree cult went rogue. Who put them up to it? Aika may be a master of Chaos magic and she may indeed be able to cheat death, whereas it would be harder for Hakaze to do so. Those darn hairpins... something is up with those.

2012-11-02, 05:28	Link #391
SQA Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012	They Chekov's Gunned the fact something didn't quite add up, but I completely didn't see that twist coming. Though it was nice they explained why there was a massive hole in the mountain at the clan's village. But if we assume that Hakaze is "dead in the current time frame", that means it's been greater than the 131 days she's been on the island. If Aika-chan was killed 11 months before, that puts Hakaze on the island around the same time that Aika-chan was murdered by one of the clan members (or before). Though it could be more like a "World Lines" concept, so could the Black Iron Syndrome actually ships those people to another World Line as well? Leaving them "dead" in one Line and "alive" in the other? It's always seemed like those that died to the Black Iron could be brought back. Or there could be two copies of Hakaze by some means. Which might be what actually caused all of this in the first place, making Samon & crew actually in some way "in the Right", but their methods have gone too far. Still, if Hakaze is dead and that is her body in the barrel (why is it still kept in the barrel? Obviously some magic there), then Samon has a way to resurrect Hakaze, in case of a breakdown of their plan. Which does explain how they'll, maybe, get Aika-chan back at series end (I imagine that'll come up at series end, if it's going to be 24+ episodes) So many possibilities, can't wait for ep 6!

2012-11-02, 06:38	Link #392
garbage Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011	well this suddenly turned interesting , when both of your Female Leads turns out to be dead... but are they really? ...well at least it explains one of my nagging thoughts > I mean a "princess" used to having magic, suddenly powerless and alone on a deserted island surviving for 131 days, with only a barrel and her current clothes, looking quite spiffy too...

2012-11-02, 13:44	Link #396
Drexon Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2004	So does anyone else think that magician with the spear looks like Inspector Gadget? Grey coat, hat.... http://www.myanimeblog.com/uploads/H...5-1024x576.jpg http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs70/i/20...or-d33k9db.jpg

2012-11-02, 13:57	Link #397
Awrya U mad? Join Date: Apr 2012	Decent episode. Hakaze nearly destroyed a mountain with a mouth piercing? What could she accomplish if she used an iPhone So episode ends with Samon picking up a skull from a barrel and Junichirou confirmed that he saw Hakaze's skull. Since it was already stated by Hakaze that reviving is impossible, looking forward to how they'll bring her to the Exodus tree. __________________

2012-11-02, 20:22	Link #398
king12354 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007	I wonder what Samon means when he refers that the "Princess is still inside a barrel." Is he referring to Hakaze or another princess? Why is that a trump card? If Hakaze really is dead, it doesn't seem to surprise Samon and co. that she is somehow helping the two guys go against them. Last edited by king12354; 2012-11-02 at 21:34.

2012-11-02, 20:32	Link #399
Jerseykid Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006	epic plot twist!

2012-11-02, 20:53	Link #400
Master_Yoma Nekokota Festival Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lost in the Fairy Forest	Spoiler for Why: Why didnt Mahiro drop the powerling into the water and kill thsoes guys at less he would of got rid of some of them __________________