2010-12-12, 12:30 | Link #121 |
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^‘Tis an interesting idea, nature energy supplanting physical energy., but, it has never been stated whether any besides the Toads know of nature energy, and if no one else (specifically Tobirama and Orochimaru) knew of the energy, then I doubt they could have created a Edo Tensei that uses nature energy.
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1, this is a summoning type jutsu, we know that summoned creatures do not drain the summoner's chakra 2, Kabuto says that the user is safe, but if a hundred zombies would drain his chakra he surely wouldn't be safe Quote:
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2010-12-12, 19:29 | Link #124 |
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I don't know why we must give the jutsu some flaws when it has some pretty huge ones that I can see. Notably the power of love thing. We already have two zombies gone because of it and the war just started. I think I can safely say I wouldn't mind if the zombies were impossible to destroy because of the unnatural relationship between a foreign body and a soul brought back from the pure world.
As for chakra, I would support a theory that Kabuto's white snake powers are sufficiently potent to provide most of the zombies with enough chakra for their jutsu. None of them have been using huge techniques yet, and if they get destroyed, I believe it will be something similar like Sasori's 100 puppet technique. The focus will get better and sharper as Kabuto loses his zombies.
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2010-12-12, 21:00 | Link #125 |
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Or maybe, chakra = soul. When you run out of chakra, all it means is that the soul is weak enough that it can't anchor to the body anymore. It goes to the pure world, and without the soul, the body dies.
Why are you guys arguing about zombie chakra anyways? Not like we know how much their reserves were when they were alive. |
2010-12-12, 22:21 | Link #126 |
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I am surprised there isn't more talk about Kishimto brutally offing two name characters in this chapter. Particularly after all the talk about how Kishi was turning this into Bleach.
In the grand scheme of things, Fu and Torune were nobodies, but they were characters Kishi named and appeared in a number of chapters. They were even on a cover. They were no different than the other Kage bodyguards and other newbies like Omoi, Karui, and Samui. So if they can die, that means those others can also die. Hopefully this means we are going to see some Alliance deaths now. At least the fodder should get wrecked. |
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2010-12-13, 04:38 | Link #129 |
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Nobodyman9, I am not saying you have to care about Fu and Torune. Who really does? They were around for an arc. But they were name characters that Kishi actually put some work into according to the recent fanbook. So the brutal way they were treated gives me hope that we finally might see a real war. I know he is not killing any of the under 20 crowd, but at least he might take out some name characters, which would at least make this better than the Winter War. That's all.
I thought Omoi was already a deacon in the Church? But Karui has to survive and apologize to Naruto. And then be forced to fangirl him for her penance. Now that is real hell. |
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Anyway, as for getting a "real war." As long as we keep getting rushed two chapters battles with no character development and zombies getting taken out by talk no jutsu, then no, we are never going to get a "real war." Oh, and saying it's better than the Winter War is literally saying that it's better than nothing. |
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2010-12-13, 05:06 | Link #131 | |
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thinking about the opponent only needs to drain their chakra to kill the Zombies?... lets think about Samedaha, Kisame's old sword who eats Chakra?.. he now belongs to KillerBee, so he could help them defeat the zombies. |
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2010-12-13, 09:36 | Link #132 | |
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There's going to be deaths but I think to many it'll never seem real (barring something drastic) because it doesn't feel like anyone can die. "Realistic" war stories where children die like dogs and desperate ninja kill civilians over a scrap of food...you won't see that outside of flashbacks.
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2010-12-13, 11:29 | Link #133 |
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-Considering Karin of all people is being converted to Narutoism without Naruto even addressing her in any way on-screen...err, panel I fail to see how this surprises you my good man. Seriously, Naruto can get the current Mizukage to adhere to his principles just by taking his shirt off. He's gotten THAT good at the Friendship no jutsu.
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^ Speaking of which, I wonder what Karin is up too?
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Anyway, none of the Kage bodyguards have been really developed. But I'm not complaining since there are way too many characters in this manga now. Time wasted on them would just highlight how poorly Kishi has handled the Konoha 11 in Shippuden. So if they end dying like Fu and Torune did this chapter, it won't have that much of an impact.
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2010-12-13, 15:06 | Link #135 |
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Talk and Friendship no jutsu is what Kishi considers 'character development.' If this war is going to be 'real,' it needs less character development and more ninja battle development. And the closest thing we've had to that so far, was brought to us by Fu and Torune.
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2010-12-13, 15:26 | Link #136 | |
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An actual war is chaotic and fairly random (on an individual level). Just using Oda's war as an example (which I consider to be a well done Shounen manga interpretation of war), we should expect more chapters of short (and often inconclusive) battles, with little time for any real reflection of the characters that die. It wouldn't be a "real" war unless it was rushed. |
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2010-12-13, 15:45 | Link #137 |
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best thing he could do about killing characters is making an estimated number of the amount of dead ninja's he finds acceptable.
For example: 80.000 Ninja's fighting in the war atleast 10.000 need to die... well, thats 12,5%... Then 12,5% of the named-ninja's need to die aswell.. Then you can divide these into 3 categories, because obviously the stronger ninja's have a bigger chance of survival.. of the weaker named-ninjas 10% dies mediocre named ninjas 2% dies strong named ninjas 0,5% dies No idea if this makes sence, but I'd like a mathematical and realistic approach xD |
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2010-12-13, 17:48 | Link #139 | |
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The other difference is age, Kishi does not kill young people, they are the new generation. So if someone is neither young nor on the good side he has a 99% chance of dying. If someone is just old (raikage, etc...) or just on the evil side then he has a good chance to die, but can survive if Kishi has a purpose for him in the plot. I guess Tsunade has a purpose so she survived, but it might be that her purpose is only to give time for Naruto to raise to the hokage position, and maybe die against Madara. She's some kind of a mother figure for Naruto, so i think she has a good chance to survive until the end of the manga, and become a Chiyo-like ninja who has retired. Karin and company have survived because they are too young to be killed off, also they might have a minor role later if they meet with Naruto. If someone is on the good side and is young he has immunity (Kankuro, Neji, Choji all healed from lethal conditions). So really those 2 guys who were killed by Madara were the obvious candidates for death, but that does not mean that any of the ex-genins has lost his immunity. I think that even Anko and Yamato have a chance to survive this. The most likely to die are old people, like the kages or some older generals, and of course unnamed shinobi grunts. It also seems that jutsu are becoming more and more magical/overpowered/etc... Which means that it might turn out that Naruto gains the power of the sage temporarily and resurrects most of the killed good guys. |
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2010-12-13, 20:43 | Link #140 |
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I am just glad that there is some decent action going on within the last few chapters. Naruto has just simply seemed to become almost annoying to a degree -- while still maintaining entertainment -- with all the flashbackness. Naruto has been one of my favorite manga/anime for quite some time although there was a time recently that Naruto just dropped off the charts in comparison to such things as Bakuman the manga from the people to did Death Note, and Veritas.
I guess what I am trying to say is that this chapter in my opinion is spicing the Naruto series up. |
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