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2014-03-28, 17:27 | Link #103 |
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Things get changed all the time in this manga, I thought everyone has gotten use to it by now.
Remember ages ago, the Sharingan was suppose to be a mutated off-shot of the Byakugan, but you know it got retcon'd and all...
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2014-03-28, 23:25 | Link #105 | |
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2014-03-29, 08:42 | Link #106 | |
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Naruto didn't became uber because of his lineage, he became uber because of lol Plot Armor. Name me one shonen fight manga where the main character doesn't become the best. Go ahead.
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2014-03-29, 14:22 | Link #107 | |
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"The fight between him and Yomi comes down to one punch. Rushing at each other, the fight would have been a tie, except that Yomi was able to continue standing because of an impromptu shout from Shura. Yusuke falls unconscious and doesn't awaken until after the tournament ends." And this was basically the last BIG fight in the series. Yeah, hero didn't win.
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2014-03-29, 18:32 | Link #108 | |
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2014-03-29, 21:31 | Link #110 | |
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2014-03-29, 22:14 | Link #111 |
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The importance of the fight has nothing to do with ranchan13's point though. The fact remains that at the end of YuYu Hakusho there are still an handful of characters stronger than the hero.
But he could have told you Saint Seya, Houshin Engi, Devil & Devil, Scryed, Ashita no Joe, Dragonball, etc. The heroes often end up the strongest in this kind of story but it's not always the case, sometimes they outsmart the enemy, sometimes they sacrifices themselves, sometimes they win through a team effort, more rarely they even lose. |
2014-03-30, 13:25 | Link #113 |
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yea. i don't have an issue with anything other than all these revelations have happened during the same couple of days during this endless war arc. i would have much preferred to have the last 100+ chapters be spread among several arcs where the characters are doing completely different things and aging a little
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2014-03-30, 16:10 | Link #114 | |
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But it doesn't Naruto is still effected by the common plot armor that most Shonen heroes wear.
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2014-03-30, 16:41 | Link #115 |
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what you're talking about isn't a criticism of shounen or manga, it's a criticism of all literature and storytelling from the beginning of spoken word. the majority of all stories have the protagonist end on top or winning or coming through when it matters most, etc... of course there are exceptions as have been pointed out in this particular medium, but we should expect the hero to be or become the strongest person in a story. it would be silly to expect disappointment. that's not why most stories are written
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2014-03-30, 19:18 | Link #116 |
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Danger ; long post full of my random thoughts. Read at own risk;
- I remember a long time ago the topic of the sage's sons was introduced into the manga, and it became pretty clear that the senju clan and the uchiha clan represented the lineage of each son. But at that point there was no indication that the senju son was a "loser". They both seemed like geniuses, one using ocular powers and the other using body power. It made sense in light of Hashirama's crazy chakra tehcniques and Naruto's natural endurance (even without kyuubi). - But then later in the manga (when kyuubi bonds with the bijuu), the foreshadowing suggests strongly that Naruto is the reincarnation of the Sage himself. The bijuu did not say Naruto reminds them of the Sage's sons. They say he reminded them of the sage himself. So it seems a *little* bit random how the son's are the important issue now. Also another thought; Why is the sage appearing to Naruto now in visions? My guess is that when the reincarnation is close to death in a 'destiny' type fight, the sage appears and gives his peptalk. That means that while naruto is getting this message, simultaneously Sasuke is also probably getting the same conversation. Future chapters will probably switch to show us Sasukes conversation with the sage. This might also explain some mysteries about Madara and Hashirama. 1) It would explain where Madara got all this information about the chakra tree and the secret lore that no one else seems to know about. 2) It would explain Hashirama's *wierd* behaviour after his Madara fight. Where he is on the verge of death, but seems to be spacing out, looking at the sky. He might have been getting his So6p tutorial at that moment. Yet another thought! If the speculation above is true, it would mean that the sage's pep talk did not redeem Madara. All it did was provide him with useful information on how he could do more world dominationl things. Is it possible that the S06p is neither good nor bad. Instead he is both. A kind of Ying and Yang where the two son's represent the two aspects of the Sage himself. If this is the case, then perhaps he did not try to dissuade Madara, but actually vindicated him in some sense. He loves both his sons equally, and both are part of him. So he did not interfere with their little war, and later on he does not take sides with the reincarnations. So at this moment, perhaps Sasuke will not move closer to the light side after his conversation with the S06P. Instead he might actually end up reverting back to his natural alignment, and join up with Madara. The most epic scenario would be ; - Naruto gets his peptalk, gets his powerboost (Hopefully involving all the bijuu finally working inside him to create an interesting new jinchurikii that is different from the staff wielding Madara/obito) - Sasuke gets his peptalk, and his own interesting powerboost, and wakes up deciding to join Madara. - Gai's death-gate becomes more important that simply doing a "little damage" to Madara. Instead Gai backed up by the others, actually sets up Madara such that Gai is about to deliver a killing blow and Madara is helpless. - They think they are about to win when suddenly sasuke pops out of nowhere and save's Madara in the knick of time. - Somewhere along the line, Madara dies, and Naruto/Sasuke fight it out. True to Naruto's premonition (a foreshadowing that is too important to ignore), Both Naruto and Sasuke die in that fight. |
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To be honest I'm pretty curious about Hashirama as a whole. He seems like a special case to me, but why? Did he work hard? Was he really just a naturally talented kid who had everything going for him without having to work hard?
Madara is more easy to explain. He was pretty much top dog among the Uchiha along with his brother, and the rest of his power came from his brother's death and getting his eyes, and later stealing Hashirama's DNA.
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2014-03-31, 12:59 | Link #119 | |
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Even if i wouldn't put Hashirama in the Ashura -> Naruto lineage, but according to the above explanation it seems that i have to Anyway, Ashura being helped by people is probably a very similar thing to Naruto being helped by people, as opposed to Sasuke's loneliness of the genius. Even if in the actual fight these people don't help him because they are too weak or are not there it still makes a huge difference for Naruto. Naruto was always helped by a few people around him: Iruka, Kakashi, Jiraiya, elder frog sages, Minato, Itachi, .... and the list goes on. Have they not helped him he would have died a hundred times already because he was stupid and weak. He makes friends easily and that's a huge help in his life, even if often not directly. There were many complaints that in the finale of this war the allied army was useless and they only caused trouble for Naruto, but actually that's not true, they helped Naruto a lot, even if some of them couldn't do anything else than telling him to not give up. Right now it's the Sage himself who is helping him, not to mention Tobito who is saving his life. |
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Madara is kind of boring me now, so I'm kind of hoping that instead of Madara launching the Infinite Illusion plan, he will loose control of the Jyuubi (being killed in the process), ending in Naruto and Sasuke needing to work together to complete the work of the Sage.
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