Nanoha - StrikerS - Episode 17 Discussion / Poll

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Fabien

I suppose you've watched Nanoha A's.
Tell me, what did you think of the Volkenritters' actions after having watched episode 2?
Did your opinion change after watching episode 6?

Nice dodge, but you didn't answer the question.

And I get the feeling that none of you will ever.

[Fabien]

Originally Posted by narmi

Hahaha, I just wanted to be careful and not spoil it for some readers. Sorry if I did anything bad.

That wasn't a rhetorical question. I see several people using the "spoiler" tag, and I just don't understand the meaning in this thread.

[Fabien]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Nice dodge, but you didn't answer the question.

Nope, since the question wasn't directed at me.

Anyway, I surely don't trust Spaghetti. I just say that it's too early to have a definite opinion about him.

[Fabien]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

[attacking the HQs] is already the worst thing he could have done.

Nope. He could have killed people. Lots of people.
AFAIK, he's responsible for damaging property, hurting a few people, and abduction of two girls.
Believe me, with his power, he could have done far worse.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Fabien

Nope, since the question wasn't directed at me.

Anyway, I surely don't trust Spaghetti. I just say that it's too early to have a definite opinion about him.

My bad then, cause you was replying off from it I assumed.

My pick with this is that, yes there MIGHT be a (microscopic) possibility he isn't 'that' bad, but I don't see any prove of it here. He has tons of evidences going against him.

So why are there people so eager to trust him base on HIS words?

And it's definately not because he didn't kill, that was a pure display of power over their lives. He could CHOOSE whether they live or die.

[Jimmy C]

A few minutes behind, and things change...
Fabien, that you don't trust Scags made the first part of my reply moot.
Perhaps in future episodes we'll see that the Doctor is mired in a moral dilema like the Volkenritters in A's. Until then, I'll take his words with a pinch of salt. Even so, that doesn't excuse the huge rap sheet he already has. I'm talking about the extensive one Fate mentioned back in ep6.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Fabien

Nope. He could have killed people. Lots of people.
AFAIK, he's responsible for damaging property, hurting a few people, and abduction of two girls.
Believe me, with his power, he could have done far worse.

No, by destroying their headquarters, there would be chaos and panic. By taking out their main base, you would render them ineffective to mantain order.'

People want to talk about the big picture? Well this is the big picture.

What he did was an act of war.

[narmi]

Originally Posted by Meophist

As for who killed Subaru and Ginga's mom, my guess is:

Spoiler:

Subaru

Hmmmm now thats a bold guess. Maybe thats a reason for Subaru's cyborg placements.

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

No, by destroying their headquarters, there would be chaos and panic. By taking out their main base, you would render them ineffective to mantain order.'

People want to talk about the big picture? Well this is the big picture.

What he did was an act of war.

Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if he got killed by someone for revenge but thats not going to happen. If you attack any military force your basically on their list to be dealt with.

[Aaron008R]

In any case, I'd like to see the reactions of the people on the next episode to shed more light on the matter. Needless to say there would be some military and political garble, some doubts, and some shattered faiths. (Of course, I'm not ruling out the possibility of some people getting interested) This is usually the time where people start pointing fingers.

About the Scaglietti matter, he'll be ending up ever higher on the wanted list. To be relistic, his intentions won't really matter to most of the victims. All that they would probably think is that, "Some mad scientist staged an attack on us!" or something on similar lines. Thus, I think that he's current priority now is enticing his target market before trying to move onwards. By rules history documentation, the ones who usually comes out victorious in a long war are the ones documented as the correct faction. So if he wins, he'll ultimately be recognized by history as the one who was right. Results at times speak louder than methods or even intentions when things get as serious as this. But, knowing how an anime works...

[narmi]

Originally Posted by Aaron008R

In any case, I'd like to see the reactions of the people on the next episode to shed more light on the matter. Needless to say there would be some military and political garble, some doubts, and some shattered faiths. (Of course, I'm not ruling out the possibility of some people getting interested) This is usually the time where people start pointing fingers.

About the Scaglietti matter, he'll be ending up ever higher on the wanted list. To be relistic, his intentions won't really matter to most of the victims. All that they would probably think is that, "Some mad scientist staged an attack on us!" or something on similar lines. Thus, I think that he's current priority now is enticing his target market before trying to move onwards. By rules history documentation, the ones who usually comes out victorious in a long war are the ones documented as the correct faction. So if he wins, he'll ultimately be recognized by history as the one who was right. Results at times speak louder than methods or even intentions when things get as serious as this. But, knowing how an anime works...

Thus the term.... "The ends justify the means". About the pointing fingers, Hayate is going to get blamed by the land forces.

Anyway we are going off topic, lets keep it in within the discussion of episode 17.

[Fabien]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

He could CHOOSE whether they live or die.

Whenever I drive and I see a pedestrian, I can choose whether he lives or die.

[Aaron008R]

Originally Posted by narmi

Thus the term.... "The ends justify the means". About the pointing fingers, Hayate is going to get blamed by the land forces.

Anyway we are going off topic, lets keep it in within the discussion of episode 17.

Maybe this could fit in the abandoned Military thread. But then, a new thread would be more fitting...

Originally Posted by Fabien

Whenever I drive and I see a pedestrian, I can choose whether he lives or die.

Ahh... A driver of a vehicle with several passsengers is expected to show prudence of a good father-... WAIT! Sorry. I got a little nostalgic of my Obligations and Contracts subject.

[narmi]

Originally Posted by Fabien

Whenever I drive and I see a pedestrian, I can choose whether he lives or die.

Lol, doesn't everyone. Oh yah anyway V and the chance to kill Subaru.but didn't take it. Instead she was shocked and didn't do anything.

Originally Posted by Aaron008R

Maybe this could fit in the abandoned Military thread. But then, a new thread would be more fitting...



Ahh... A driver of a vehicle with several passsengers is expected to show prudence of a good father-... WAIT! Sorry. I got a little nostalgic of my Obligations and Contracts subject.

Oh god lol.

[Fabien]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

No, by destroying their headquarters, there would be chaos and panic. By taking out their main base, you would render them ineffective to mantain order.'

He proved that Ground forces were ineffective to begin with.
And, by destroying Ground Central, he may have allowed TSAB's main branch (Chrono and co) to take over Michilda's protection instead of Regius, which is definitely a Good Thing.
In other words, Bad Guy #1 is trying to destroy Bad Guy #2.

[Aaron008R]

Originally Posted by Fabien

He proved that Ground forces were ineffective to begin with.
And, by destroying Ground Central, he may have allowed TSAB's main branch (Chrono and co) to take over Michilda's protection instead of Regius, which is definitely a Good Thing.
In other words, Bad Guy #1 is trying to destroy Bad Guy #2.

That may not necessarily be the agenda, but it could be very well be a useful externality for some factions. Like they say, 'Almost every situation can give an advantage one way or another.'

(Okay, I just made that up.)

[Nightengale]

Originally Posted by narmi

Lol, doesn't everyone. Oh yah anyway V and the chance to kill Subaru.but didn't take it. Instead she was shocked and didn't do anything.

Their 2 main objectives was a bloodless victory and the Vessel. Jail wanted Type-0 as well, but it was secondary. Besides, they got Ginga anyway, so they still achieved the secondary victory.

Like said, if Jail was really serious, forget just the building of RF6 and GC, there wouldn't be half the important personnel of RF6 and GC left including those like Hayate, Regius and Carim, since Sei's Deep Diver + Otto's Ray Storm would've easily killed every important people during that presentation. After all, buildings are easily replaceable, but not mages.

[Fabien]

Originally Posted by Aaron008R

In any case, I'd like to see the reactions of the people on the next episode to shed more light on the matter. Needless to say there would be some military and political garble[...]

Yeah, once again an episode which will be pretty hard to understand without subtitles.
Ah well, we highly count on Thisguy to shed some light on the dialogue...

[Aaron008R]

Originally Posted by Nightengale

Their 2 main objectives was a bloodless victory and the Vessel. Jail wanted Type-0 as well, but it was secondary. Besides, they got Ginga anyway, so they still achieved the secondary victory.

Which means he completely won the skirmish.

Like said, if Jail was really serious, forget just the building of RF6 and GC, there wouldn't be half the important personnel of RF6 and GC left including those like Hayate, Regius and Carim. After all, buildings are easily replaceable, but not mages.

He could have easily ordered his troops to just go ahead and bring down the base entirely with everbody inside.

[Fabien]

Originally Posted by Aaron008R

Like they say, 'Almost every situation can give an advantage one way or another.'

Yeah, Vivio is now under Jail's "care", so Nanoha won't be late for her appointments any more

[narmi]

Originally Posted by Fabien

He proved that Ground forces were ineffective to begin with.
And, by destroying Ground Central, he may have allowed TSAB's main branch (Chrono and co) to take over Michilda's protection instead of Regius, which is definitely a Good Thing.
In other words, Bad Guy #1 is trying to destroy Bad Guy #2.

Heheh which will become his down fall, and lets hope Arf gets some screen time with Yuuno.

Originally Posted by Fabien

Yeah, Vivio is now under Jail's "care", so Nanoha won't be late for her appointments any more

Oh.... now thats mean and funny. Hahaha