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Also, every other character you brought up are Coordinators, they have enhanced bodies. Grunt's are left blank, none of them are ever shown being shot down or dying after Kira disables them, it's silly to even bring that up. Quote:
Once again: Kira finishing the Destroy caused Stella's death due to the chain-explosions caused by the Beam cannons being stabbed during their charge-up sequence. If you want to proove the show wrong, provide proof, so far you've only brought your own opinion to the table, no facts at all. |
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Which only proves the show doesn't CARE who did it.
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They CAN change it, but not at will. What they CAN do is say that they intended it to be clear. That, they can do more or less at will. It won't actually BE clear until it airs. Quote:
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So if someone stubs his toe right before dying then he MUST HAVE died of a stubbed toe? Internal bleeding caused by WHAT? Internal bleeding can kill in 10 minutes or 10 hours. She physical damage from three different events, not counting her own Extended physionomy breaking down and being in an unknown state of repair. She died from internal bleeding is a fair assessment. What caused it is an unknown. Quote:
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All I have to do to prove something is vague is to prove that it a) isn't 100% guaranteed to be caused by any factor AND b) could reasonably be believed to have been caused by another factor. Stella COULD have died from injuries received when Shinn sliced the cockpit and shot shrapnel all over her body. Stella COULD have never fully recovered from her time on the Minerva (since Sting WALKED into the base while she was still in the machine). Stella COULD survive the explosion of a mobile suit while in its cockpit. All three of these are possible. Not guarantees, but I am not arguing guarantees, I am arguing it is VAGUE. To prove me wrong you'd have to do the opposite. Prove that Stella could NOT under any circumstances have died from her other wounds AND that she could NOT under any circumstances survive the explosion of a mobile suit while in its cockpit. Quote:
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2013-08-12, 13:23 | Link #8604 | |
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Really now, and here I thought it was pretty dang clear that Rey was the one who shot Durandal. Go figure I most not have been thinking straight all these years. Seriously Deadpool I get the feeling you'd say a question mark is "vague" in 1+?=2 because there isn't enough hard evidence to prove what number ? represents. |
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Rey being willing to kill Durandal matters to the plot, but same goes Kira. Hence them both getting the blame (Kira damaged the Messiah, so if the debris killed him, it's Kira's fault). Quote:
I'm not. Someone listed the number of people killed by Kira, someone else said he'd forgotten Stella, I said "To be fair, that one is kinda vague." and everyone decided that it was suddenly the most certain, guaranteed event in all of Gundam... |
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Your argument is that what caused her death was vague, we are telling you it isn't vague, noone else sees it as vague, only you. Either you missed key points in the episode or you are flat out too stubborn to admit you are wrong regarding this matter. Quote:
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i understand you want to bring up examples to strenghten your argument, but that one had quite the opposite effect. Quote:
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Her Extended physionomy had nothing to do with it, they used drugs and other means to enhance their soldiers, they didn't modify her body like they modified Cyber Newtypes in UC, for example. Quote:
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Slashing off every limb like Kira did against Athrun is destroying the mobile suit, but sparing the pilots life. Quote:
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b) you sure failed that one too. Quote:
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One does not bring up a theory and states that it's correct until proven otherwise, You need to have solid proof backing up your claims, which in your case, you do not have. Quote:
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Ahhh, intelligent discourse, how you are missed... Because internal damage is so clearly visible from the outside. Quote:
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I've already provided extended reasoning as to why (ie other people surviving worse damage). Hell Mu alone blows the whole idea out of the water. Nor does 7 billion. |
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Clearly, since we don't see Kira move around alot by the time we see him in Destiny the first couple of times, he must still be recovering from his battle with Rau! right? right? Quote:
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Mwu Andrew Retcon'd survivals (Aka Strike's Hatch): Kira Pure luck: Athrun (Gouf, Aegis incident) Kira's disabling skills: Athrun (Savior incident) |
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2013-08-12, 14:46 | Link #8613 | |
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I know the original plan was for Kira to die vs Rau, but the writers changed their minds. |
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the reason for his survival was given in a side-story manga. |
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2013-08-12, 15:00 | Link #8616 | |
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It's simply better story telling. P.S. And of course, you can't have it be revealed that it was Shinn that killed her. That would burst his bubble and take all of the fight right out of him, which under the right circumstances could be pretty cool, but not in a series where there's literally half a dozen characters waiting in the wings to take over his role for him. |
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It MAY have.
You can't prove it didn't. We covered this. It is possible to receive a fatal wound, followed by a non fatal wound, followed by death. The doctor describes as "I have no idea how her body functions." He physionomy isn't Natural. Quote:
Which means the internal damage that DID in fact killed her did not NECESSARILY come from the last hit she took. It could have come from Shinn's attack. Quote:
Cute try, but complete opposites. Nah huh? There is nothing to misunderstand because there is nothing to understand. There is no evidence of any kind. This isn't a matter of misinterpretting events. This is a matter of your trying to interpret events that didn't happen. Let us see which of these facts are untrue: 1) a. Stella was dying on the Minerva. b. Stella wasn't fully healed when they arrived on the base. 2) a. Shinn physically hurt Stella. b. Internal damage is invisible and can kill up to 10 hours later. 3) a. The damage to the Destroy is surviveable. Go ahead, disprove any of them. Quote:
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On the latter it makes Shinn more of a tragic figure, but it also makes him more foolish in a way and adds little. The former helps inform the themes of impulsiveness, of misinformation during war and of the pointlessness of revenge while still drawing parallels between Shinn and Kira. It just fits the show better. |
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I'd (normal/double/triple) dare Fukuda/Morosawa/Bandai/Sunrise to retcon Stella's death so that she would walk dance into Kira's sword.
If they actually go through that, I'll eat my hat.
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Keep in mind Shinn's attack merely exposed the cockpit. The attack that caused significant damage to the cockpit (with alarm's blaring and panels sparking and shrapnel on Stella's suit) was done by KIRA. And no. Not his final attack that destroyed the unit, but shortly after Neo inform's Shinn that Stella's piloting the Destroy, Kira flies in and railgun's it, causing much more significant damage than Shinn did.
So yeah, most of the damage was done by Kira. |
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