Code Geass (Generic discussion thread)

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by yvj

Ragnarok was an unoriginal plot device

Ragnarok was an attempt to show that they can rip off more then just gundam

[Nobodyman9]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

Ragnarok was an attempt to show that they can rip off more then just gundam

Actually, I think the entire show was an attempt to prove that they can rip off....well, basically everything

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by Nobodyman9

Actually, I think the entire show was an attempt to prove that they can rip off....well, basically everything

but the ending in praticular was an attempt to prove that they can not only rip off watchmen
but also prove they can rip it off AND manage to completely miss the point in the process

[darkdarkdark]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

but the ending in praticular was an attempt to prove that they can not only rip off watchmen
but also prove they can rip it off AND manage to completely miss the point in the process

I wouldn't consider the show to be a rip-off of Watchmen, per say. I thought Watchmen was great and I liked CG also. I felt the endings of both weren't all the best, but they were all right.

[Nobodyman9]

Originally Posted by darkdarkdark

I wouldn't consider the show to be a rip-off of Watchmen, per say. I thought Watchmen was great and I liked CG also. I felt the endings of both weren't all the best, but they were all right.

He's not saying that the show is a rip off of Watchmen. He's saying that the ending is.

[darkdarkdark]

Originally Posted by Nobodyman9

He's not saying that the show is a rip off of Watchmen. He's saying that the ending is.

The ending to CG doesn't remind me of the ending to Watchmen at all. Enlighten me?

[Nobodyman9]

Originally Posted by darkdarkdark

The ending to CG doesn't remind me of the ending to Watchmen at all. Enlighten me?

Okay...

Spoiler for Watchmen spoilers:

They're similar in that Lelouch took a role similar to Ozymandias, in which he unleashed a great evil on the world and killed countless thousands/millions of people so that they would all band together, forget the sins of the past, and create a better world. True, there are some small differences, but the basic idea is still the same.

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by Nobodyman9

He's not saying that the show is a rip off of Watchmen. He's saying that the ending is.

yes
except they also missed the point about it
in watchmen, its ACKNOWLEDGED that the villain was a monster and that his plan was a perversion of human nature and NOT true peace
and also, most importantly, that it would end up blowing up in his face sooner rather then later

in Geass, they forgot that part
we're instead treated to a bullshit "shiny happy people" montage about how Lelouch was right all along and how the world is a peaceful place because of his "heroic sacrifice"

in other words, the moral of the story is : "Lies, Hate, and Mass murder, make for excellent foundations on which to build a better world"

[darkdarkdark]

Originally Posted by Nobodyman9

Okay...

Spoiler for Watchmen spoilers:

They're similar in that Lelouch took a role similar to Ozymandias, in which he unleashed a great evil on the world and killed countless thousands/millions of people so that they would all band together, forget the sins of the past, and create a better world. True, there are some small differences, but the basic idea is still the same.

Yeah, the base of the idea for ZR and Ozymandias' plan are pretty much the same, but there were different circumstances for both of them. IMO, the ending to CG wasn't bad. In a reality the plan wouldn't work, realistically shown that something would go wrong, as depicted from the ending of Watchmen. I personally would like to believe in the peace that ZR creates, and Lelouch is is heaven with Shirley.

[Revolutionist]

IIRC Rorschach's diary finds its way to the press, which meant that the truth was going to surface.

Nothing of the sort happened at the end of CG. That's the big difference there.

[bladeofdarkness]

my point exactly

[darkdarkdark]

Originally Posted by Revolutionist

IIRC Rorschach's diary finds its way to the press, which meant that the truth was going to surface.

Nothing of the sort happened at the end of CG. That's the big difference there.

Yep. That's what I was getting at

[Nobodyman9]

Originally Posted by Revolutionist

IIRC Rorschach's diary finds its way to the press, which meant that the truth was going to surface.

Nothing of the sort happened at the end of CG. That's the big difference there.

Well, to be fair, the ending was left ambiguous and it was up to the reader to decide whether or not the truth came to light.

Still, they did imply the possibility.

[Nogitsune]

I love Zero Requiem, and the fact that the truth never came out in the series!
Take that, Evil Bashing of Doom!

Now, back to Clovis' hair...

[bladeofdarkness]

how the hell would suzaku live for an eternity ?

[darkdarkdark]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

how the hell would suzaku live for an eternity ?

Maybe they were referring to the "Live On" Geass. He would probably live for a long time, but not for eternity. That's impossible. But hell, the Geass might make him take C.C.'s code or something. Who knows.

[azul120]

Originally Posted by Arbitres

I prefer open-ended endings. It explores the possibilities. Though some are filled with cliffhangers (like S1 finale)

I respect Zero Requiem, and i'm glad Kallen survived to see the world Lelouch created for her and everyone els to live in.

He wanted to live in that world, death was his punishment -- being possibly damned and cursed by the rest of the world. Suzaku wanted nothing more to die, so he could atone for his fathers death -- Living (possibly for eternity) was his punishment.

Zero Requiem was basically a handout of 'deserved punishment'.


Let's talk about Clovis hair AFTER Lelouch dealt with him, it must've been pretty red. -evil grin-

"You can't change the world without getting your hands alittle dirt." x) yup yup... Lelouch's first enemy, and his first casuality to his road of vengeance. He was pretty much buried under the rest of the corpses that followed. They said Damocles was huge, they should take a look at Lelouch's total body count.

An Aesop broken the instant you consider the people who are enjoying the world who have blood on their hands, only that said blood was entirely senseless. Zero Requiem was an excuse to fulfill his deathwish, since he had become isolated and hopeless when he cooked it up.

[bladeofdarkness]

A)the man has no geass at all
B)the man has no geass powerful enough that he can CLAIM a code at all

that we don't know much about geass or the code is irrelevent because, again
HE HAS NO GEASS

suzaku's "live" command is not a geass, because if it was, then anyone Lelouch ever used his geass on would "potentially" have a geass power
its nonsense
all he has is a voice in his head that forces him to survive at all costs
i don't know where you heard it from, but it makes no sense

[darkdarkdark]

Originally Posted by Arbitres

Lelouch was made immortal indirectly by Charles

I'm dont think he became immortal from Charles... Proof?

[Rising Dragon]

Originally Posted by Arbitres

Speculation about the Emperor Dismissed episode, Blade.

It's pretty old, from what i've read.

Lelouch was made immortal indirectly by Charles, since he didn't take C.C.'s code, he had both his geass and immortality. Speculation about Zero Requiem is meant to kill Lelouch, while Suzaku and his 'reverse geass' is given immortality. It's stupid, but it isn't impossible. Though very improbable, since the events and the featurings, along with the logistics and scenes don't match up.

Like Revolutionist-sama said, "We don't know a thing about geass". Truth is, we don't. Nor it's workings outside the thought elevator, Akasha being hardly explained, either.

Thats the speculation, Blade... Believe me, I don't like it, either.

Originally Posted by darkdarkdark

I'm dont think he became immortal from Charles... Proof?

*sigh* And there goes the Cowboy Bebop theory, rearing its head again...