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Lotte crushing on him, cute. Him making moves on her, call the FBI. Your aversion to "whores" comes out pretty harsh too. Come on, the MILF's the succubus queen, it's the job description. Plus the way she's all deredere just for him *despite* her experience and repertoire is all the more reason to ship it. Same reason the experienced, handsome man is popular in shoujo manga; he treats the heroine special over other girls in his life, his One True Love despite all the options. We just don't see this dynamic played out as often on the male side [see link above for reason]. |
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2011-04-11, 04:47 | Link #42 |
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She is a freaking nymph. Even that old butler said her to be ("Queen is known to be a nymph") meaning that not all Succubus are nymphs just that the queen is infamous for being like that.
3000 lovers do not come out of necessity of feeding alone. She is a nymphomaniac slut. She will fuck a lover disregarding her own daughter in bed. It tells the best about her. She may feel sorry apologize for it and be deredere crossing her heart that will never happen again, but once she will get into the same sitution it will repeat again and again. Thats how nymphs are. Like alcoholics they just can't stay away from their addiction. Oh yeah she can be dere dere one moment but it wont stop her from going to chasing every guy who has a penis attached to. Not to mention that the hero doesnt have any special feelings towards her but the gratitude for giving him a daughter. Even back then when she conceived from him he was just caring about her without any other motives its just that she tricked him (thinking it was a dream) into sleeping with her. She fucked every each of her harem and considering from her actions on beach is always eager to make it grow (though she met the hero already was a bit deredere butthen goes on cockhunt like its nothing pretty easily). Granted she was bit more moody after meeting him so she only had her futunari bodyguard fuck her that evening. But thats pretty much it. And so what that she is dere dere just for him? Its like in those netorare mangas where heroine screams how much the hero is her only true love but enjoys talking other guys staff into her still. There will be no romance between the queen and him. Look we had 41 chapters already and after the beach chapter queen only got the flashback where it was explained the whole thing, while it was hero's and Rotte's relationship at the focus and at a built during all others (and you should not doubt that the queen was fucking around during that time out anyway so its not like she is sad and lonely) And thats not double standarts. Double standarts would be saying that she was disgusting to rape a child and it would not be disgusting for hero to sleep with Rotte. But I am not saying that. I am saying that if it was ok for the queen to sleep with the child then it should be ok with hero sleeping with Rotte after all Rotte is not blood related to him. If FBI was not called back then and now you think its a good pairing then dont call FBI now, let them sleep and once she grows up more have a good pairing too. I doubt that any man in shoujo or josei was as experienced as the queen. You would need to be a real man-whore (gigolo) and extremely active at that to achieve such level of experience. Those experienced guys from shoujo's or hot MILF's are nothing but a virgin's compared to this whore. Last edited by Darknemo2000; 2011-04-11 at 05:04. |
2011-04-11, 05:20 | Link #43 |
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I wonder a little bit about how a relationship with the queen would go. There's been a few spots where it seems to suggest that Naoya is quite... gifted. There's very few men out there who will make other men actually think "A HORSE!?" He might just be able to satisfy queeny on his own. Woudln't make any bets on it though.
One thing I've been wondering, could Naoya actually be Lotte's father? We know that Lotte and Asuha are the same age, which makes them twin sisters. And also, just like Asuha grew up believing that her mother died when she was little, Lotte grew up believing the exact same thing about her father. Combine the similarity of their stories with their twin status and it starts to look a little suspicious... |
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First, chill out dude.
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See, the thing is, *nothing* of the sort happens "on screen." The author is clever enough to know that showing the queen indeed fucking around with 3000 men or even a bunch of other random guys would have been distasteful to many, audiences being what they are, but only referencing it offscreen just establishes the background fact. Oh so she is the queen of succubi, great let's move on. You seem to react far, far more strongly than most because you zoom into the fact with the apparent intent to visualize it. It's as if you want to feel it so you could hate her for it. Well oops, the author didn't want to do that for a reason. Simple scenario for audience reaction: Magnificent Bastard blows a planet off the galaxy offscreen. Dang he's a dangerous badass. Magnificent Bastard stabs a young girl on screen. MURDER. LYNCH THE SCUM. Although, I suppose I should give you a leverage. It depends on the audience too. If it's otaku it can go like this: male has a previous girlfriend. Drama [/more for the harem]. Female love interest apparently has a previous boyfriend. BURN THE STUDIO. So maybe that's what you're feeling. In which case feel free, I won't interrupt. Just try not to fill up this thread with the w-word. Quote:
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I see that a gentle link to TVTropes doesn't work. Okay, let's put it this way, this is probably how most people feels, at least when they're not overusing their brains: Older female x young male = lucky bastard. Older male x young female = rapist and tragic victim. It's not fair in real life, rape is rape is rape. But this is fantasy, fiction, and one remarkably light-hearted at that. You're effectively alone here hating on the queen to that extent. Most people however would squick at Naoya x Lotte. |
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2011-04-11, 05:30 | Link #45 | ||
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No, that seems impossible because I think it was mentioned in the manga (cant remember where) that Lotte is a bit younger than Naoya's daughter meaning she came once the queen returned back to her own world. They are of the same age in number but Naoya's daughter is older. Besides you don't know if the pregnancy period is as long as with normal humans for succubus. Quote:
And lol do you seriously think that she hasnt slept with those 3000 men? Seriously? I mean she even does and is willing to do that with the guys who are not part of her harem, it comes as sure that she really had slept with them and probably not just once. Why to go for a new men-hunt when you have unexplored harem waiting for you? Most lilely she had her fun with her harem and those who got added were after her 'quality check'. Succubus is a race closer to nymphomaniac as it comes, but considering that the Queen is known for being a nympho we can presume that not all succubus are nympho's or that the Queen's nymphomaniac level is above the usual ones for her to be famous for it. Nymphomaniac is a disease. You should know it by now. Like alcoholism it cannot be cured by love and romance. And what is more queen doesnt seem to be willing to change either (as her best case of abstinence is screwing with her hermaphrodite guardian). And no its not anger. I just really like using strong words in my speech. Last edited by Darknemo2000; 2011-04-11 at 06:03. |
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2011-04-11, 06:02 | Link #48 | |
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It would be better to bet on other girls at this point. He interacts much more with them. |
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Last post. I hate to drag this out.
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The malleability inside the world just allows the author to do a lot of things without worrying about plausible reactions from other characters inside the story. What the audience feels about what happens is the different part. Quote:
Did you not read my post? I'm talking about the onscreen/offscreen dynamic. Horrific shit can happen offscreen and the audience Will. Not. Care. unless said audience makes it a point to focus on it and visualize it for themselves, as you apparently did for the little throwaway blurb about the queen here. Events onscreen matter much more to the average audience, I included. Tell the audience a guy blows up a planet, they'll just think about how powerful he must be. Show the audience how on that planet there are sympathetic little girls holding on to tattered teddy bears dreaming of the stars and how they were about to die from the guy's plans, the audience will hate, hate, hate him with deathly passion and woe betide if the author lets him get away with it. So she slept with 3000 men, apparently. So she's the boss. I didn't see it happen, so I don't feel "eww, whore" or anything you're apparently feeling. I saw the deredere scene however and I was like, "aww." Quote:
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Usually though polls lean to moe pairings even if they are small lolies. And yeah I have high tolerance for it. Even Koi Kaze was fine with me though it was a really scandalous manga/anime. |
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2011-04-11, 13:56 | Link #51 | |
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The series emphasizes comedy and the sexual gags. The fact that Spoiler for spoiler:
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2011-04-11, 14:03 | Link #52 | |
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Though the best bet is he still doenst end up with anyone as it is much more towards fanservice and comedy than romance. |
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2011-04-11, 15:05 | Link #53 | |
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I can see Irenicus point but I have to agree with Darknemo in that the Queen is not heroine matterial in this case... The fact that she had sex in front of her daughter becomes a barrier from my point of view that will be extremely hard to overcome. And regarding the double standard thing... I would dislike both the gigolo and the slut in the same way... So yeah... Older female x young male = rapist and tragic victim. Older male x young female = rapist and tragic victim. Despite the fact that Nahoya feels grateful now I can't imagine how strange/traumatic an experience (Boys have feelings and a psyque too that is not only a girl's privilege) for a 12 years old boy and how terrible the aftermatch when he found himself being a single parent at the age of 14-15 The manga's name is "Lotte no Omocha" so you can see who is the heroine So yeah... Nahoya would be considered a pedophile if he makes a pass on Lotte within the next... 7 years ... From the manga we know that Lotte will awaken as a succubus within the next 4 years, probably turning out very similar to her mother Or will die if she cannot overcome her aversion for men Unless someone, most likely Nahoya, does something... What he will do remains to be seen... The author doesn't seem to be in a hurry to reach that point so I will just limit myself to enjoy the story for the time being In the end, I think that talking about morals in this story, particularly sexual ethics, is pointless... We have aggressors and possible aggressors... I'm pretty sure that the possible aggressor will become an "aggressor" in the end, the timeline will eventually lead to it... Even if there is an agreement from both parties involved, legally and morally he will be an aggressor, I will enjoy seeing fans bashing one another when the time comes This kind of reminds me of Kōichi and Kaoru from Zettai Karen Children.. ten years age difference... I'd definitely hate the guts of that guy if he dares to make a pass on the girl... while she is underage... Yet they make a cute couple and we (the readers) know that he is not that type of guy... I can't wait for another time skip
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2011-04-11, 15:23 | Link #54 | |
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And, do you have a bias reasoning against older people? Age barrier is one thing but we don't always assume it is the older person who initiates the relationship, sometimes it is the opposite. otherwise I agree with your last paragraph although I feel Nahoya is more of a father figure than a love interest as show, even his supposedly harem is more superficial. Spoiler for reply:
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2011-04-11, 15:57 | Link #57 | |
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I didn't want to put love in the scheme since they would probably throw the double standard thing at me... again... Like the trope Is not rape if you enjoyed it and all its possible variations, they could say that if there was love it was not a crime In the end I like Nahoya and Lotte pairing over Nahoya and the Queen... You can call it male otaku sindrome
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2011-04-11, 16:06 | Link #58 | |
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Well I think it's fine to ship between any pairing, I don't have a preference but I somewhat sympathize with the Queen since somewhere I believe she hasn't or has experience love once with Naoya? (I need to check the original Kanji) |
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2011-04-11, 16:19 | Link #60 |
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You know if the queen returned as a challenger I think it would be a lot of fun.
I mean considering how many stories have the heroines being these perfect pure balls of sunshine just waiting for the MC. Mixing that up with a character the furthest from that standard could make both the story and the reactions hilarious. I mean, Maison Ikkoku didn't have the main heroine fully dedicated to the MC, and I loved it. |
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