Bleach 207 Episode Discussion Thread

[Lendial]

why do urahara and shinji have so much patience for little hiyori. imagined if she pulled that on byakuya!

[Ric]

Originally Posted by Glacial

why am I not seeing this?

He has is resting in both hands behind his back, you can only just see it, but it's there.

[Glacial]

Originally Posted by Ric

He has is resting in both hands behind his back, you can only just see it, but it's there.

I think I see what you mean now, and just to confirm:

Spoiler for screeny, modified to make it crystal clear:

Originally Posted by Ric

Spoiler for Tags, just in case:

Aye He's definatly gripping something, what else could it be that the illusion gets sucked into.

-Ric

I don't think there's anything else brass-colored he could be gripping, so I have to digress :P
Nice eye, and thanks for the help

[Ric]

Originally Posted by Glacial

I think I see what you mean now, and just to confirm:

Spoiler for screeny, modified to make it crystal clear:

Spoiler for Tags, just in case:

Aye He's definatly gripping something, what else could it be that the illusion gets sucked into.

-Ric

[sayde]

Originally Posted by Ric

Spoiler for Tags, just in case:

Aye He's definatly gripping something, what else could it be that the illusion gets sucked into.

-Ric

The only problem with the above image is that it doesn't flow well with the scene right afterwards:



We see Aizen in the same exact pose at a different angle having not moved an inch. We also get a much better look at both of his hands in the same exact position, and yet his sword isn't there. He's seen only gripping his own hand.

[Kafriel]

Maybe the Aizen in the picture is actually Kyoka Suigetsu and he's controlling it remotely from another place, you never really know.

[Glacial]

Originally Posted by sayde

The only problem with the above image is that it doesn't flow well with the scene right afterwards:

We see Aizen in the same exact pose at a different angle having not moved an inch. We also get a much better look at both of his hands in the same exact position, and yet his sword isn't there. He's seen only gripping his own hand.

I didn't even stop to consider this, but you make a good point.

However, I feel that seeing the rectangular brass shape in the screeny I posted is clear enough. Anime team is well-known for making mistakes, of course :P

But the reason I chose that particular scene was because it is closest to the corresponding panel of the manga (except light doesn't block one from viewing the sword). Since the manga is the backbone of the anime's story, this would indicate that the scene you present holds less weight

[Ric]

Originally Posted by sayde

The only problem with the above image is that it doesn't flow well with the scene right afterwards:



We see Aizen in the same exact pose at a different angle having not moved an inch. We also get a much better look at both of his hands in the same exact position, and yet his sword isn't there. He's seen only gripping his own hand.

Wow, well this really throws a spanner in my sword/illusion theory.

Maybe it really is Aizen just using Kidou, thinking about it he probably wouldn't use his sword's abilities so casually.

[Uncreativex]

Originally Posted by hakisak

Naruto is the worst ever when it comes to filler...hell they don't even fill it's like Flashback...flashback...hey lets repeat that same flashback 8 times in row--slow motion and then add filler content.

Bleach's fillers are not that bad. I am a manga devotee and I loved this episode.

To tell the truth I had to think about what was filler and what wasn't...it was done so well.

To me the eps are about the same as the chapters. I don't see anything to dislike or not want to buy the DVD about (there are other ways to get it and make your own DVD--do that for this arc)


I enjoyed this episode, and if fillers are this good I say "MOAR" (Which is something I would usually bitch about)

I disagree. While most of the bounto stuff wasn't all that bad, the New Captain season was just redicolous. In addition to all those moronic characters, what's with everyone returning to the Real World/Soul Society from Las Noches? Even if you argue that it's not chronological or even that it's an alternative realityish thing, then why does Ishida use the new bow he introduced first in the Hollow world, and why can Ichigo use the Hollow Mask for more than 11 seconds, which he doesn't learn before Las Noches? The fotball fillers before Pendulum arch was terrible too.

Don't get me wrong, the Naruto fillers suck too, especially the crap with pseudo-Jinchuurikis etc, and the current fillers are moronic too. I'm the kind of person who prefers fillers rather than ending/no episodes, albeit only when it's halfway like the actual series and not ruining/contradicting. Sometimes that crap can be worse than what a eight year old fan could think up.

[Thewanderer]

Originally Posted by Uncreativex

I disagree. While most of the bounto stuff wasn't all that bad, the New Captain season was just redicolous. In addition to all those moronic characters, what's with everyone returning to the Real World/Soul Society from Las Noches? Even if you argue that it's not chronological or even that it's an alternative realityish thing, then why does Ishida use the new bow he introduced first in the Hollow world, and why can Ichigo use the Hollow Mask for more than 11 seconds, which he doesn't learn before Las Noches? The fotball fillers before Pendulum arch was terrible too.

Don't get me wrong, the Naruto fillers suck too, especially the crap with pseudo-Jinchuurikis etc, and the current fillers are moronic too. I'm the kind of person who prefers fillers rather than ending/no episodes, albeit only when it's halfway like the actual series and not ruining/contradicting. Sometimes that crap can be worse than what a eight year old fan could think up.

-_- Why is it such a hard concept to grasp that it's an alternate continuity arc?

[Kafriel]

TheWanderer is right, instead of making some corny hueco mundo arc of meeting more friendly hollows and infiltrating a hollow colony to save them from an evil arrancar who wanted to kill all hollows they decided to take the characters back to the real world, in their final tier of power-which would be their power level RIGHT BEFORE entering the garganta.You can easily consider all of this happening at that time.
You don't know whether Ichigo could hold his mask for more than 11 seconds when they left for Hueco mundo, because you never saw it since grimmjow's second raid and he didn't use it to its fullest until his first fight with Ulquiorra.

[sayde]

Originally Posted by Glacial

I didn't even stop to consider this, but you make a good point.

However, I feel that seeing the rectangular brass shape in the screeny I posted is clear enough. Anime team is well-known for making mistakes, of course :P

Speaking of mistakes, I just came up with one more subtle problem with the pic you posted. Assuming what we see in that picture is the guard portion of Aizen's sword, that would mean the handle of his zanpakto would have to be no longer than the width of his hand since he seems to be holding it right at the guard and we can't see the rest of the handle extending from out of the other side of his hand.

Previous episodes clearly show that the handle of his sword most definitely isn't that short. So for now, I'm tempted to consider the screenshot you posted to be a case of sloppy animation on their part for I believe the guard may actually be a badly drawn hand viewed from an awkward angle.

Originally Posted by Ric

Maybe it really is Aizen just using Kidou, thinking about it he probably wouldn't use his sword's abilities so casually.

There's actually a nice plausible theory I once heard stating that Aizen may have purposely used a flawed version of complete hypnosis in order to make Shinji think/feel he's superior. At first it sounded a little too weak for me, but then I considered how this was Aizen we're talking about. So I suppose it's possible.

[Uncreativex]

Originally Posted by Kafriel

You don't know whether Ichigo could hold his mask for more than 11 seconds when they left for Hueco mundo, because you never saw it since grimmjow's second raid and he didn't use it to its fullest until his first fight with Ulquiorra.

I am fairly certain it's explained that it was directly because of coming to the hollow world that both Ichigo and Chad got "power-ups", since their powers are rather hollow-like.

-_- Why is it such a hard concept to grasp that it's an alternate continuity arc?

The anime does not present it as such, and while I have the mental capacity to get it, this is one of the first times I've visited the Bleach sub-forum, and as such, this is also the first time someone has declared it an alternative continuity arc for me. The most annoying part is however the fact that it could have been far better, and in the later filler, that some relatively mundane encounter with a common if powerful hollow for example would be far more entertaining than a fotball game.

[Glacial]

Originally Posted by sayde

Previous episodes clearly show that the handle of his sword most definitely isn't that short. So for now, I'm tempted to consider the screenshot you posted to be a case of sloppy animation on their part for I believe the guard may actually be a badly drawn hand viewed from an awkward angle.

Well...good point again :P

I have a counter, though, too. If it was a badly drawn hand, why would the color be so radically different from that of his skin? Also, the grip could be angled in such a way that makes it appear shorter than it really is. After all, his hand does appear to be gripping something cylindrical in shape. Either way, I'm 100% in agreement that this is sloppy drawing on their part (kind of surprising since most people comment that this arc is being done nicely), but I'm hesitant to say it definitely isn't a guard.

Also, at the time of this, his Kyouka Suigetsu is most likely not fully matured (this was over a century ago!) and thus the hypnosis can be flawed enough to not conceal his reiatsu or something. I don't think he used kidou because I have a feeling that if he did, we would know of a spell that creates illusions, and so far, in the manga and anime, we don't.

[sayde]

Originally Posted by Glacial

Well...good point again :P

I have a counter, though, too. If it was a badly drawn hand, why would the color be so radically different from that of his skin? Also, the grip could be angled in such a way that makes it appear shorter than it really is. After all, his hand does appear to be gripping something cylindrical in shape.

While I can't honestly say I've come to completely agree with you on the issue, you're opinion seems valid and leaves little room for debate IMO. So I'll just leave it at that.

Originally Posted by Glacial

Either way, I'm 100% in agreement that this is sloppy drawing on their part (kind of surprising since most people comment that this arc is being done nicely), but I'm hesitant to say it definitely isn't a guard.

Fair enough.

Originally Posted by Glacial

Also, at the time of this, his Kyouka Suigetsu is most likely not fully matured (this was over a century ago!) and thus the hypnosis can be flawed enough to not conceal his reiatsu or something. I don't think he used kidou because I have a feeling that if he did, we would know of a spell that creates illusions, and so far, in the manga and anime, we don't.

Point taken.

[Alchemist007]

Originally Posted by Glacial

Also, at the time of this, his Kyouka Suigetsu is most likely not fully matured (this was over a century ago!) and thus the hypnosis can be flawed enough to not conceal his reiatsu or something. I don't think he used kidou because I have a feeling that if he did, we would know of a spell that creates illusions, and so far, in the manga and anime, we don't.

Perhaps Shinji may be the only one in the present who knows the tricks of Suigetsu?
*puts on anti-hypno glasses

[Kafriel]

But its effect can't be countered even if you know about it (at least now), so maybe back then knowing the secret=overcoming the hypnosis, or maybe Shinji also has a kido-based sword with similar abilities and as such he can undestand Aizen's.

[Alchemist007]

I wonder if Aizen wanted him gone specifically because of that or that he was just another one of his guinea pigs.

[Guido]

Hiyori was ghastly frightening in the past, and she is in the present.

A lovable character with enough spunk and trademark kansai-ben dialect.

Spoiler:

I loved the most this episode to the current arc, because it touches upon and reflects Urahara's caring nature and his flaws.

Hiyori might be still behaving like a kid, mourning that Hikifune no longer runs the 12th Division as Captain, but she ought to learn the lesson that everything changes.

Urahara, on the other hand, must take word from Shinji's advice that being in high position of power means to act the role properly, as not to be looked down upon his fellow subordinates, and he should allow himself personal whims from time to time as well establishing his own style at directing the division.