(L) Fate/Stay Night - Unlimited Blade Works Movie

[MikeyGrey]

Spoiler for vn stuff:

Originally Posted by Cherry_Lover

Spoiler for :

HF Shirou does Nine Lives Bladeworks by copying Berserker's sword, so we know Shirou (and, therefore, Archer) can copy the skills of a weapon user. Similarly, it is stated several times that Shirou gets a certain amount of skill from weapons that he traces.

those abilities belong to the weapon and may only be performed when the said weapon is being used. no experience (other than whatever summoner gained personally during the few seconds) is carried over from the weapon itself (otherwise he would just use nine lives bladeworks with caliburn or kansho/bakuya.... wow now that'd be badass)now if u think that is a great thing.... its not. its actually extremely dangerous stunt to pull. first of all summoning weapons with their own experience is very costly. secondly, weapon is the one in control of the fight and regardless of how powerful it may be, it will not be maxed until both the wielder & weapon are in sync (dont think thats gonna happen in a second). shirou's only using it coz poor guy doesnt have a whole lotta choice; archer wouldnt resort to something like that. after all there wouldnt be a point of limiting yourself to just kansho/bakuya when u can have it all. it would rather be far more effective to use varied attacks (start off with gae bolg, switch to nine lives and follow up with tsubame gaeshi or excalibur blast if opponent is far away... see how insane that is?)

If they fire hundreds of swords simultaneously each turn, Gil will have no choice but to counter with the same amount at every turn....and no amount of wealth is THAT bottomless.

gil isnt stupid. if its obscenely high number (unlikely but ok... remember he was ready to fire as many as 32 simply coz he was pissed off @ berserker. and takiomi/kirei did mention that he intends to open the gate further. there really is no reason to think he cant fire off everything at once; he isnt creating them or anything... its just a matter of picking it out & throwing) he will take out ea. ubw's sole advantage is the faster draw and everything else is inferior to gate of babylon... costs too much to maintain, single shot attack, effectiveness depends on user's state of mind, etc. besides, u really think a single fight will see the end of his treasury. this is the king of mesopotamia.. first owner of everything on the planet (save a few unique ones). archer's affinity to swords limits his offense (he could replicate other stuff but it wouldnt be as good) but gil's got everything under the sky. guy's even got wine bottles stored in there. besides, whoever said that his weapons cant be recovered immediately after firing... or did u think that he's gonna run around physically picking up every sword/axe/lance he throws (that'd be something to watch though)

Damn there's someone out there stalking it just as much as I am. LOL.

i am as well lol. hopefully it wont be too long.

[Darkside]

Originally Posted by MikeyGrey

Spoiler for vn stuff:

those abilities belong to the weapon and may only be performed when the said weapon is being used. no experience (other than whatever summoner gained personally during the few seconds) is carried over from the weapon itself (otherwise he would just use nine lives bladeworks with caliburn or kansho/bakuya.... wow now that'd be badass)now if u think that is a great thing.... its not. its actually extremely dangerous stunt to pull. first of all summoning weapons with their own experience is very costly. secondly, weapon is the one in control of the fight and regardless of how powerful it may be, it will not be maxed until both the wielder & weapon are in sync (dont think thats gonna happen in a second). shirou's only using it coz poor guy doesnt have a whole lotta choice; archer wouldnt resort to something like that. after all there wouldnt be a point of limiting yourself to just kansho/bakuya when u can have it all. it would rather be far more effective to use varied attacks (start off with gae bolg, switch to nine lives and follow up with tsubame gaeshi or excalibur blast if opponent is far away... see how insane that is?)

i am as well lol. hopefully it wont be too long.

That sounds about right. Didn't Shirou say something about Caliburn moving his body on it's own the first time he projected it and cut off the arm of Berserker in Fate?

[Tom Bombadil]

Here is a question about the ending of the movie so I'll put it in spoilers.

Spoiler for Question:

What did saber die from in the end?

I have played the game before but my memory is very fuzzy about the ending.

[Darkside]

Originally Posted by Tom Bombadil

Here is a question about the ending of the movie so I'll put it in spoilers.

Spoiler for Question:

What did saber die from in the end?

I have played the game before but my memory is very fuzzy about the ending.

Spoiler:

IIRC the Holy Grail absorbed all of the nearby servants

[Sciel]

I'm watching it now and yeah the "rushing" is definitely very noticeable. Action is awesome though

[Cherry_Lover]

Originally Posted by ksho

He meant that if he allowed allowed Gil the time to use EA....then he would lose since he can't replicate that sword. (That's because he can only create swords made with earthly materials)

Yes. If Gil uses Ea, he wins. Of course, he doesn't use it, until it's too late....

Spoiler for Gilgamesh's Swords in Stock:

Also, while his treasury is vast...there is a limit to the number of weapons in Gilgamesh's vault. It may not have been clearly communicated in the game, but Gilgamesh actually reclaims all the swords he's fired after he uses them (also via dimensional gates since he can open them anywhere he pleases)

If you've read Fate/Zero, particularly the caster sea monster fight...it's pointed out that Gil was very reluctant to fight the monster because he felt that every sword he fired from GOB would have their value be tainted forever through contact with the monster and would not be worth recovering afterwards.

Yes, but this is more because they're his swords, and he doesn't like not having them (because he wants to own everything). He's not in danger of running out any time soon. Also, whilst Shirou can trace multiple copies of the same weapon, I believe that doing so in UBW comes with a large prana cost.

Also, as I mentioned before...Shirou/Archer has access to potentially unlimited number of weapons which they can spam at will as long as they can keep their reality marble up (which according to the wiki can be kept up for several minutes before the world crushes it).

Well, he only has one copy of each natively present in the RM. He can make more, but it costs a lot of prana.

And unlike Gil who has to open dimensional gates to his treasury and set them up before he can fire them...Shirou/Archer just need to levitate and shoot them.

Archer/Shirou are indeed quicker, but not quick enough to defeat Gil. Not least because he can essentially shoot anything, whereas they have to match swords with Gil or risk their choice getting beaten.

If they fire hundreds of swords simultaneously each turn, Gil will have no choice but to counter with the same amount at every turn....and no amount of wealth is THAT bottomless.

You're underestimating Gi's wealth here....

Originally Posted by Tom Bombadil

Here is a question about the ending of the movie so I'll put it in spoilers.

Spoiler for Question:

What did saber die from in the end?

I have played the game before but my memory is very fuzzy about the ending.

Spoiler for UBW:

Well, she used Excalibur, and the Grail is gone, so she's low on prana. In the Good end, she decides to attempt to hold on, and does so for long enough for Rin to supply her with prana and keep her around. In the True end, she decides that she's not needed any more and so just lets herself vanish.

[Geburah]

Just finished the movie.

Overall is pretty good but if you have already read the VN some things really HURT due to plot and time constrictions, skipping certain important (not really a must but fleshed things a lot more) scenes/dialogs, using another choice of weapons in some fights that have NO SENSE.

My advice: Watch it with an open mind and youll have a good movie, expect a Kara no Kyokai movie fidelity and you might be dissapointed

[Scrya]

There's a 1080p version from a CLI 1080p raw and UTW subs (probably the subtitles), though CLI probably got the stuff from UTW because they said they wouldn't be collaborating.

Is it not a sham of sorts? o_o.

[Tom Bombadil]

Thanks @ Darkside and Cherry_Lover.

By the way what is with the dolphin? I kept my eye rolling during the whole segment. That was so out of no where.
Of course I know what it was covering up. But a dolphin?!

[Moczo]

Originally Posted by Tom Bombadil

By the way what is with the dolphin? I kept my eye rolling during the whole segment. That was so out of no where.
Of course I know what it was covering up. But a dolphin?!

Well, dragons were already taken, so...

[Reckoner]

I awake to a finished download. I shall be enjoying this soon .

Will be posting my thoughts later.

[GDB]

Originally Posted by Scrya

There's a 1080p version from a CLI 1080p raw and UTW subs (probably the subtitles), though CLI probably got the stuff from UTW because they said they wouldn't be collaborating.

Is it not a sham of sorts? o_o.

It happens all the time. People rip the soft-subs and apply to another raw. I'd suggest waiting for UTW's 1080p if you want a 1080p, since ripping the soft-subs doesn't transfer typesets.

Originally Posted by Tom Bombadil

By the way what is with the dolphin? I kept my eye rolling during the whole segment. That was so out of no where.
Of course I know what it was covering up. But a dolphin?!

Kind of describes Rin's personality. Fierce, loyal, playful, star of the sea (...school?).

[Klashikari]

I can't say I was terribly impressed by this movie.

In term of quality, I wouldn't call it on par with the releases we got recently (although it would be a bit unfair to compare it with Kara no Kyoukai from the get go): the movie itself kept the design of the anime for the better and for the worse.
My gripes in that department however is the seemly bloody habit of DEEN animators to cut corners by abusing distance still shots and unecessary camera rotation.
They are definitely trying to cut cost in every way possible, despite doing so in the EMIYA scene wasn't a good idea.
Indeed, the animation itself was average at best and I believe this kind of thing would have been even more noticeable at the theatre but well. Meanwhile, the design itself was okay, although the details weren't really great (for some reason, they decided that Archer looks cooler with pale pink glass swords... heh?). The biggets issue in term of design was probably UBW/Gates of Babylon: the swords were rendered properly first, then they became flashy sticks as if they were a simple beam spam. This is not helped with weapon "slash" trail being COLORED as well... and not, not with the respective weapon color scheme.
That said, we have the gratuitious penchant of DEEN in rendering a -lot- of blood for no peculiar reason. I think Shirou may have some "unlimited blood works" considering few instances, despite the wounds are arguably not of the same scale as the blood loss.

In term of music, there isn't any major complain or praise, although I would again point out that EMIYA scene had some issue, notably with that terrible "mute" period, and the timing of emiya BGM being somewhat poor (the tune itself is obvious as the "turnabout" theme, yet they used it quite early).

Of course, the true problem of this movie adaptation is the direction and the content. Suffice to say, it is naive to expect a proper adaptation of UBW with only 1h45. However, the way DEEN did it wasn't any flattery. It isn't as bad as Umineko adaptation, but the cuts are really noticeable, even for someone who never read F/SN prior watching this adaptation: in fact, without prior knowledge, one would be extremely confused even regarding the "central plot".
It is fair not to have any background for Saber, Ilya etc, but it is not really okay if the spectator is left in the dark regarding Shirou and Archer (Shirou's motivations are barely touched and the scene showing that lacked a lot of impact, Archer's conviction was extremely dull so to speak etc).
So as ironic as it is, the major characters have as little coverage as the side characters: Rin is arguably doing anything constructive for the Emiya duo, Shirou is barely the "supid good guy trying to save everyone" with the pure absence of the complex behind that, Archer just wants to do X or Y for the hell of it, etc.

Things are even more complicated when the characters aren't acting "sanely". Of course, the original material wasn't void of plothole, but the movie didn't help with the extremely minimal portrayal of the non main characters (a fault that the original anime series was plagued to the very bone).
Therefore, a lot of decisions don't seem exactly right. Of course, they are "fine" for those who read original UBW (although I still question Archer's life status at the time Shirou was challenging Gil).

Finally, aside of the direction and camera use during the action scenes, these were plagued by the utter absence of obvious "circumstances" that dictate any "power level decrepencies" in nasuverse. Frankly, if I didn't read F/SN beforehand, I would actually think that heroic spirits are weak as hell, or at least Caster and Archer, considering the lack of details that show how humans could fight on stand still with these two. This is even worse if you consider the fact that Shirou didn't seem "immortal", as he is definitely far mess injured in this adaptation than any other.
It just makes a lot of "battle setup" nonsensical, which leaves questions why a master should leave things to their servant whereas they can fight like monsters as well (it isn't like it would be hard to show otherwise anyway: like enhanced magic glow on kuzuki fists, obvious strains on Shirou's body each time he is tracing something etc).

For all it takes, this movie is definitely only a "tribute" for the VN readers, and as one of them, I can't call it a successful adaptation, nor entertainement. I discarded the thought of having a good adaptation, but I didn't have any thrill or joy to see some scenes in actions considering the poor direction of this movie.
Suffice to say, it isn't atrocious and it has redeeming qualities, but there are way too much stupid points that rub me on the very wrong way (Shirou tracing Caliburn, Rin encanting her pact with Saber while Archer was doing nothing for 20 full seconds (that's right, TWENTY damn seconds) etc).

Sort of average I guess.

[LostHanyou]

I'm not sure what you mean by the EMIYA theme, in fact I thought the scene was the best in the movie solely because of the soundtrack. But I agree with everything else.

[Klashikari]

What I meant is that the timing was off. The theme wasn't an issue, but rather how the sound director had the "nice idea" to leave dozen of seconds without any BGM or voice, then switch directly to Emiya bgm without much of a transition.

I mean, it would have made much more sense to start the theme as soon as Shirou resumes the battle (and if the theme was too longwinded on the intro, nothing prevents them to cut the slow start), but not when he is still in shock after witnessing Archer's memories.

[outcast_within]

Right i watched the movie halfway. And decided to watch the series again. Cos I feel like they are rushing through things and not even reminding me what command spells were again. Through the pacing i can't get any feeling for a particular scene.

[FlareKnight]

Spoiler for Movie Thoughts:

Will say I actually enjoyed the movie. Know they likely had to cut a lot and move quickly to fit it in only 1hr 45min, but still it was a good movie. After the original series was curious about Archer and the movie really dove into him much more than that couple episodes in the anime did. Of course probably best if I get around to the VN to really see everything. Still I was left happy after watching not feeling ripped off.

I'll say one thing for a fast pace it really let you just get to the action pretty fast. You jump around from one insane situation after another. I was wondering what the universe had against Rin and Shirou after seeing how things kept going from bad to worse, to even worse. Just when I thought their situation couldn't get more hopeless it seemed I was wrong.

I can't really blame Archer for his thinking in the film. I mean after going through that hell I'd probably hate myself as well. Killing an idiot who would put himself through that and end up in such suffering might not be a bad idea. Hard to say just how bad things went for Archer and how dark his life after the Grail Wars got. This whole movie helped build on how I felt about his character after episode 14 in the anime. Here he did everything he could and things didn't turn out so bad. I was actually relieved that he showed up at the end since it felt weird that he would be defeated by himself who had less experience. No idea how he survived that battle with himself, but glad to see it. Plus it was just worth seeing him save Rin and the expression on Gilgamesh's face at the end . That guy was so pissed.

Don't think you could watch this movie and not say that Rin was damn cute. She had some great moments especially taking on Caster like that. Although after this version of the Shirou "power-up" she was painfully cute. I'll say that the dolphins and memory viewing was far better than the stupid CG dragon thing from the anime .

Overall I liked the movie. When playing the game will obviously compare it to this, but for now I'm pretty happy. Had some great fights, great characters, and got to see more of Archer than in the original series. Know some will feel different, but that's just my impression after watching.

[Cherry_Lover]

Originally Posted by outcast_within

Right i watched the movie halfway. And decided to watch the series again. Cos I feel like they are rushing through things and not even reminding me what command spells were again. Through the pacing i can't get any feeling for a particular scene.

Well, the series won't help much, because it's a different route. The whole thing is definitely rushed, because they're trying to fit a route that is actually slightly longer than the Fate route into a 90 minute movie rather than a 12-hour anime series.

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

I was wondering what the universe had against Rin and Shirou after seeing how things kept going from bad to worse, to even worse. Just when I thought their situation couldn't get more hopeless it seemed I was wrong.

As far as Nasuverse protagonists go, they've got it damn good, actually. I'm struggling to think of anyone better off than Rin, and Shirou isn't exactly in a bad situation either.

[Reckoner]

^ agreed. Just think of poor Shiki from Tsukihime... Now that's some effed up stuff.

[Cherry_Lover]

Well, everyone in Tsukihime has it bad, really. As does everyone else in FSN. Rin is just about the only character in both games who is something resembling happy in every single ending (she's even OK in quite a few of the bad ones...).