2014-06-10, 21:51 | Link #21 | |
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Well you're not convincing me otherwise. The problem is not that you think Japanese characters are "very clichéd personalities, very rarely they break out of the mould", the problem is that you seem to forget that the west have their own version of the "Spiky haired teenager" and that's the "Bald Space Marine". The West are just as guilty of "very clichéd personalities, very rarely they break out of the mould", the only difference is that their poison of choice is the angry tough guy out for revenge. And no, the reason why JRPGs are on a decline is because more people prefer the simplier and easy to get into gameplay that WRPGs have become. JRPGs are alot of things but very rarely are they simple and easy to play which means it takes time to get into them to learn their mechanics. It's much easier to just pop in a game of Skyrim or Mass Effect and have them point you where to go to kill stuff. Of course there's this big focus on open world which gamers seem to love alot.... |
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Hold on a second, I have to ask, so what comparison can be made between Ghost in the Shell and say, my little sister can't be this cute? One inspired the matrix creator, and the other, wel... Quote:
As is Metal Gear Solid. I'm talking about story, NOT gameplay. Comparison can be made in gameplay too, but that is not the point. As this discussion branched from Anime. Japanese Devs have the choice to break out of that JPOP culture mould and try something a little different, has depth and appeal to both youngs and adults, but they are not trying. Why is Kojima higly regarded in the west? Why is the final fantasy series getting criticised in the recent years? Quote:
Metal Gear if it was JRPG, it is bound to be successful in the west because Solid Snake. Think Solid Snake vs Snow from FF13, who is a better character? Who has a better impact? Even think Wei Shan from Sleeping dog vs the main character from Vanquish. They are all equally Macho and arguably western. Which characters will appeal more to the western audience?
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2014-06-10, 22:05 | Link #23 | |||
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See, I can pit gold against crap too. At the same time, I have no idea how you got this from my previous post about western cliche characters. Quote:
The point is that you're basing your argument that the story of these RPG games is the determining factor of their popularity, while I'm sort of saying that by the nature of them being games, it's more likely that gameplay is the deciding factor. But yes you're right that we have gone off track which is why I'm against using game stories as an analogy to TV stories. Quote:
Kojima is highly regarded because he's pretty badshit crazy and ballsy. |
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2014-06-10, 22:12 | Link #24 | |||
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I'm asking for a "JRPG" JRPG that has a very mature plot and characters, forget about the gameplay, I'm asking for a "JRPG" JRPG that appeals to adults. Quote:
Also Mass Effect is Known and Praised for its Story telling, that is the signature of Bioware games. Gameplay is just the cherry on top. Also ever played the Sleeping Dogs? Asian protagonist, very well received in the west for a new IP. Quote:
Exactly, Kojima is highly regarded because he's pretty badshit crazy and ballsy enough to break out of that JPOP mould.
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2014-06-10, 22:18 | Link #25 |
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Well for one thing, JPop sells. Just like Boy Bands and sitcoms about nothing sell in the United States. There are simple and don't require the audiance to think all that much, which is what alot of people want from their entertainment. Something simple to pass the time, have a laugh, and turn off their brain after 8 hours of work.
That is also why lots of summer blockbuster movies from Hollywood are basically wall to wall explosions and one liners. Less thinking needed from the audiance who just wants to have a good time and not a deep think about anything. For the Japanese, it seems that moe/slice of life comedy anime is equivalent to US Sitcoms in many ways.
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2014-06-10, 22:23 | Link #26 | |||
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Then I suspect you would bring up that there are more genius stuff in Western TV shows. After which I would counter with the number and scale of shows being produced in the west really exceeds the number of Animes being produced by a handful of companies. So it really does come down to numbers, a bigger pool would allow for a higher chance of getting something good. Archon_Wing mentioned this in the previous page. Quote:
SMT franchise in general seem to tackle certain mature subplots pretty well from what I've heard. But "Mature" is a very vague term, unless by mature you mean sex and violence. Quote:
XCOM and DAO... I'll give you that, those are pretty good. Batman... Come on, it is a pretty easy game. |
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2014-06-10, 22:32 | Link #27 | |
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We will not go around in circle, because despite the possibility that you might perceive me as a bigoted westerner, this whole thread originate from my love and wish for Japanese media to move forward and expand (and the frustration that they are currently not). I LOVE it when the anime industry or the game industry pulls off surprises like death note or ghost in the shell or the souls series. Those are the sort of things the Japanese industry needs to get a foothold in the west. Because, lets be honest, despite the difference in perception towards what is "mature" or what is "cliche", not many people in the west wants JPOP boyband members as protagonists in their video games or a script that's sounds like its written for a power rangers movie.
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2014-06-10, 22:33 | Link #28 |
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American animation like ''The Simpsons'', ''Family Guy'' and ''American Dad'' have reportedly budgets 3 times above top of the line anime (this, despite selling their blu-rays and DVDs sets at a price that allow people to purchase them without selling their kidneys...no, seriously, a whole season of those shows cost lest than one 4 episode Blu-ray !). It's not exactly cheap, and it take big ''backers'' to launch new shows.
This said, the Star Wars CGI show was quite good and more than a bit-animesque IMO, same for the upcoming Rebels. |
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This thread is locked. It has gotten far offtopic and simply a place for him to rant about an opinion and frankly is something people have posted about numerous times and claimed for years when new series are still being made, but you like others just don't actually look since it's easier to complain.
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