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Originally Posted by karice67
Please, LMK, can we not get into another debate about who understands whom and whatnot?
To me, it's a matter of what the character could plausibly do at that point.
In the movie, Alto was effectively powerless in that situation - how in the world could he have proposed an effective plan to break Sheryl out? The plan HAD to come from Ranka - not from Alto, or from any other character - because she was the key to it actually working.
Also, had anyone else proposed it, there would have been a "but that's too dangerous for Ranka!" discussion. So, for simplicity's sake, Ranka does it. Which is a good thing for her character, but, IMHO, doesn't say anything particularly negative about Alto.
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I understand all of that, and I wasn't trying to make it sound negative towards Alto but rather the creators for making such similar situations with questionable outcomes. That's a bit on the troll side.
I wasn't trying to exactly single out the character either but point out the similarities and how said character reacted in both.
And actually, Alto was ready to quit the S.M.S. after Sheryl so-called "betrayed" him. That was
his plan. Alto never was good at coming up with a plan. Notice that all other characters come up with the plans and he follows them. He's more of the type to just jump into something and follow others directions (though he hates that, it's what he does). That could, and I'll just put this out there, be part of his kabuki days kicking in: following a script.
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Originally Posted by Darthtabby
Seriously... Grace tells Sheryl that she can survive if she gets a transfusion of Ranka's blood, but later Sheryl tells Ranka Galaxy plans to put Ranka's organs in her -with no indication whatsoever of when and where she got that info. Is one a translation error? Is there a plot hole?
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Actually, due to the cut in the film, it is easy to suggest that Grace tells Sheryl more about the severity of the situation whilst Ranka is with Alto on the beach. Sheryl even has a little flashback of it in the car, which is to suggest that Grace has told her the truth (or her version of it).
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Also Sheryl's behaviour surrounding Ranka' concert at times seems to suggest she's in on something not so nice, but on the other hand Grace seems to be ordering her people to capture both girls, which suggests Sheryl's cooperation was less than certain.
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I actually noticed this too. Sheryl's attitude at Ranka's concert was a little foreboding to me that Sheryl was actually out to get Ranka (mostly because she was holding her hat and looking like "I hate her"). But I think she was trying to figure out if there was a loophole rather than actually watching Ranka's concert. I could easily say that Sheryl was surprised that Ranka figured she needed cheering up.
Grace tells Sheryl in the room (back during Alto and Ranka's beach date) that she signed up to be a tool until the real person who could communicate with the Vajra was found (or Ranka, in this case) and once said person is found, Sheryl is no longer needed. However, for Grace to mention there's a way to save her, I have a feeling that outside of her implant, Grace had formed a mother/daughter relationship with Sheryl. But remember that Grace with the implant and Grace without the implant are two different beings, they both have different agendas. Grace with the implant is out to destroy Sheryl and take Ranka, therefore carry out the plans from the series. Grace without the implant is out to save Sheryl by any means necessary. I think the loop hole that you failed to notice was that Grace had an implant just like Brera and was forced to act against her original intentions by Galaxy. I understood that and therefore liked her character more this time around.
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I'd really like to love the movie version of Sheryl -I see a lot to like. But this is just too big for me to ignore. Granted, at one time I was hugely bothered by TV Sheryl's bitchy prima donna act in episode one, but later I more or less accepted that yes, she got upset about having to work with amateurs and got nasty about it. But accepting that someone can get bitchy sometimes and accepting something with moral implications of the kind of magnitude this issue possesses are two different things.
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Well, I never really liked Sheryl's enter in the series... I hated her attitude. It took me ten or more episodes to warm up to her being a character. She was way out of place as a Macross character, complete the opposite of ANY annoying character I've seen (and this includes Mylene and Minmei). But later, you get used to it.
I think the plothole in the series was why Sheryl was hooked up to that equipment in the picture that Michael and Klan find if Sheryl was only picked up by Grace. So, to fill in that plothole, Sheryl actually agreed to become an experiment for Galaxy. Thus it explains why Sheryl got the V-type virus and why she was used, and therefore, it saves time without Sheryl actually hitting rock bottom like in the series. I think it worked well for the production too.
) but more of a concerned expression like "you'll risk your life when she betrayed us?" But regardless, Alto never took action before Ranka said "I have an idea." 
Thus, a good triangle build between them, the two girls understanding each other more than the boy... common. Which, by the way, the cut from that scene straight to the concert was funny. I went "what is it?" for but a moment.
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