(L) Zegapain

[Clarste]

Originally Posted by ccardoso

I don't understand the point of the fight against the Celebrants: they have already won because the humanity is history, so what's the point in keep fighting. I mean: Celebrants could leave the human digital copies in the servers to live their pointless life (it's all a program after all) and they could rule the REAL Earth. Can someone explain me this?

Hmm... Well, they seem to be "terraforming" Earth into some floaty-rock place through the deftera. And this terraforming also happens to disintegrate the quantum computers that the "humans" live in. So, the Celebrants start attacking the terraformers, and the conquerers defend themselves. Maybe. I could see that. There's probably going to be some twist in who the conquerers are and their motivations though.

[[darkfire]]

Originally Posted by ccardoso

I don't understand the point of the fight against the Celebrants: they have already won because the humanity is history, so what's the point in keep fighting. I mean: Celebrants could leave the human digital copies in the servers to live their pointless life (it's all a program after all) and they could rule the REAL Earth. Can someone explain me this?

Lets see how to explain this.

Its all about their memorys. (like they say in the end. Dont let these feelings (memorys) vanish.) They fight to keep what they love. If they just left it alone their lives their loves ones will all be destroyed by GARDS-ORM.

Why don't they leave the server and live in the real world. Well this is a spoiler

Spoiler:

They dont have real bodies. The are just a hologram in the real world thats why thay can't leave the Zega's. They have to use the Quatalm Entangle to move their data from place to place. Every time they entangle they lose CHIP (data). You can always rebuild data. But if the data is part of your memories you lose this forever. This is happening to Arque. And happend to Kyo as well (he self destructed in the 1st ep). This is why kyo does not remeber Shizuno. Those memories are lost forever. In ep 9 he is fully restored. "Fully but not the same". You can see he doesnt remember middle scholl geometry since its part of the stuff he lost. and on and on.

ps. Kaminagi questions what is real and what is fake which leads to her awakening in episode 11. (she has the mark on her forehead)

[roan]

episode 13

Spoiler:

kaminagi dies ･ﾟ･(´Д⊂ヽ･ﾟ･ あ゛ぁあぁ゛ああぁぁうあ゛ぁあ゛ぁぁ

[Ori]

What? Isn't that a bit sudden?

Spoiler:

You mean real death? Or just the sparkly green light death? Didn't she just awaken? How can she die now?

[Fury]

give us proof?? its way to sudden

Spoiler:

i want the ryokoxkyo ending what gives?? they cant go killing her off

[roan]

Spoiler:

transfer failure after getting blasted by the enemy anti-zega. kyo gets recovered, but kaminagi's data is lost and described as being "destroyed". episode summary in the tv guide entry for next week also describe her as being dead.
then again, she might come back when the server reboots.

[Fury]

Originally Posted by roan

Spoiler:

transfer failure after getting blasted by the enemy anti-zega. kyo gets recovered, but kaminagi's data is lost and described as being "destroyed". episode summary in the tv guide entry for next week also describe her as being dead.
then again, she might come back when the server reboots.

Spoiler:

well u said its lost, so theres a chance shes MIA for the time being and she might still be alive. Theres always the possibility of people returning from the dead and especially when they make it so obvious for a ryokoxkyo coupling in the op/ed, so they cant get rid of her just yet, but then again this might give kyo some motivation as his love for her and to find out the truth about this world and who was it that send him the messages it might have been ryoko herself.

[roan]

Spoiler:

「指令、守凪　了子が…
転送失敗、幻体データロスト
守凪　了子、消滅しました…」
mia? how? they're data. it's not as if gards-orm stole data this time. they blasted altair from afar and only kyo and altair came back.

[Fury]

Originally Posted by roan

Spoiler:

「指令、守凪　了子が…
転送失敗、幻体データロスト
守凪　了子、消滅しました…」
mia? how? they're data. it's not as if gards-orm stole data this time. they blasted altair from afar and only kyo and altair came back.

Spoiler:

but did they show her dying?? like the usual green sparkly death scene with the long emotional talk??

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by ccardoso

I don't understand the point of the fight against the Celebrants: they have already won because the humanity is history, so what's the point in keep fighting. I mean: Celebrants could leave the human digital copies in the servers to live their pointless life (it's all a program after all) and they could rule the REAL Earth. Can someone explain me this?

How about revenge? If someone off me, i would be kinda piss off. I would make sure the invaders never leave earth alive and if possible launch a invasion on the invaders home world and do the same to them.

Considering the whole of humanity is now electronic data. It should be easier to deisgn space ships and weapons since there are no more physical limitations.

[Claymore]

episode 13 screencaps

Spoiler:

The person's fate is still unknown.

[Fury]

Originally Posted by Claymore

episode 13 screencaps

Spoiler:

The person's fate is still unknown.

Spoiler:

Its still unkown thank you. So thers a possibility that she will come back alive thats good to hear

[Ori]

Spoiler:

She CANNOT be dead, she has to come back, it's way too early in the show for her to die... and there are way too many episodes left for her to come back. She has the best voice ever, if she dies my heart dies with her.

[jpwong]

Originally Posted by Ori

Spoiler:

She CANNOT be dead, she has to come back, it's way too early in the show for her to die... and there are way too many episodes left for her to come back. She has the best voice ever, if she dies my heart dies with her.

Spoiler:

I'm kinda of the opinion that maybe she transfered to another server or something (hey, we know there are other servers and ships out there). They said the data was lost, not destroyed. It really doesn't make sense at all for them to kill her off at this point in the show.

[orion]

Spoiler:

Could she come back as an enemy fighter? That would be a convenient way of seeing the other side's point of view imo.

[roan]

Originally Posted by jpwong

Spoiler:

I'm kinda of the opinion that maybe she transfered to another server or something (hey, we know there are other servers and ships out there). They said the data was lost, not destroyed. It really doesn't make sense at all for them to kill her off at this point in the show.

Spoiler:

lost = unrecoverable to the point that the meta-data can't be fully restored like the original kyo. the worst part is that the ai said she was destroyed and according to the official website, there can only be one meta-data body for a person; you can't copy another one.

the only possible options are that either the enemy was able to steal enough data to make mass-production souless kaminagi clones or there was enough backup data left to make a new kaminagi the same way that a new kyo was made.

either way, any anime with an ending song titled "kiss me goodbye", op and ed single covers that go together really tragically, a setting where humanity is already extinct, and is being handled by sekijima, a guy who makes bittersweet shows like tekkaman blade, saber marionette j to x, video girl ai, and soul taker, isn't going to have a happy conclusion.

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by orion

Spoiler:

Could she come back as an enemy fighter? That would be a convenient way of seeing the other side's point of view imo.

The enemy fighters are physically real.

The remains of Humanity is now just computer data.

Bad: Can't touch a real girl anymore

Good: Virtual Orgies

[sign]

ep 13 good episode

[Takemi_Ikazuchi]

Good job Sunrise. Best episode since Mai Hime episode 8

I approve

Ahahahahahaha

[Ori]

Originally Posted by roan

Spoiler:

lost = unrecoverable to the point that the meta-data can't be fully restored like the original kyo. the worst part is that the ai said she was destroyed and according to the official website, there can only be one meta-data body for a person; you can't copy another one.

the only possible options are that either the enemy was able to steal enough data to make mass-production souless kaminagi clones or there was enough backup data left to make a new kaminagi the same way that a new kyo was made.

either way, any anime with an ending song titled "kiss me goodbye", op and ed single covers that go together really tragically, a setting where humanity is already extinct, and is being handled by sekijima, a guy who makes bittersweet shows like tekkaman blade, saber marionette j to x, video girl ai, and soul taker, isn't going to have a happy conclusion.

Spoiler:

I know what lost means, but then I still have strong hope she will come back for some reasons. Especially when this is only episode 13, which means we still have half of the show left, we have plenty of time for major plot twists.

I always have this feeling that there are more to the "real" world, I put quoatations around real because I think it's not as real as they think. This feeling seems to be backed up by the red locker that cannot be touched back in the first few episodes.