Claymore Manga - Japanese Version

[Defiled one]

Spoiler for 1:

But if she was talking about Claymores then...Why was she crying?

[HinaThePrince]

Originally Posted by Nightengale

Spoiler:

Considering we saw the remnants of Isley's army attacking Daf and Alicia/Beth, no. The lights gone could very well just mean Priscilla can't feel anymore Claymore yoma energy, and we know those energy can be suppressed like how Irene/Rafaela did so.

Spoiler for volume 11:

Why would they be suppressing their energy? Weren't they fighting their hardest against the Awakens?

And yeah, what Defiled said.

[lousy]

Spoiler for response:

if im not wrong/remembered right, dint they trick everyone by eating like half a yoma-energy suppressant or something. making them seem dead?
and Of course they would be suppressing their energy to hide and escape death. i mean. 6 people cant survive against er, 21 awakened(was i right? 27 minus 6 or 7 that were killed(the 5 + ligardo). so they suppressed their energy, got knocked unconscious, and so they 'died'.
that is if i remember the spoilers that i read right.

@DefiledOne: we cant just treat awakened beings as big enemies and like DIEDIEDIE CLAYMORES. look at riful, her attitude towards clare and galatea obviously shows that she isnt like Hatred towards claymore YAY that they died or something.
Especially so for Priscilla, who has a childlike behavior now, and she lost her memory. she probably felt sad that lives were being lost. remember that she was very idealistic before she awakened. which is why she would cry.

(anyway, is this in the right thread, this thread is for the manga jap version so, i guess its ok to mention non-translated stuff?)

Spoiler for claris stuff.:

As for claris having the same eye color(or isit hair color cant remember), could it be that its because claris was created the same way as clare? i mean, like with way less yoma blood?
I mean she is rather weak too. and we know that the name cant just be a coincidence.

Spoiler for more about claris' team:

Also, whats the reason for claris' team to be sent. I mean, they went there to kill awakened beings. and as far as we know, the org doesnt send teams to kill awakened beings unless theres a request{oops sorry just reread the chapter, now the org does actively want to kill awakened that they received information}. And as we know from claris, there utterly no trace of life left in pieta. if so, where did the request{/information} come from, was there even a request?
more likely that either: they were sent on a suicide mission again(which isnt very likely since hte org cant be sure there are awakened beings there).
or they were sent as lookout,patrol. to check for any awakened beings or even: to check for remaining claymores.

If so, with their mysterious survival after getting owned by an awakened, they org prob knows that there are survivals already(even though they arent showing it).

[silix]

Originally Posted by HinaThePrince

Spoiler for volume 11:

It was the Claymores getting killed? I don't think so. Prissy-face said all the lights were gone, which would mean all of the Claymores are dead. I'm pretty certain the lights symbolized Isley's army.

but

Spoiler for volume 12:

in a flashback amid volume 12 we see Miria instruct her fellows to take one half of the pill that inhibits yoma power... this way their yoki wouldn't vanish unless they were knocked down, allowing to fight till the last
this in an attempt to trick awakened opponents who, not sensing yoma power anymore, would leave them for dead when in fact they'd be "just" fainted or seriously injured

actually this seems to have tricked Priscilla and Isley too, who moreover were sensing from afar...

edit : sorry, i didnt read lousy's post before

[vester]

what do you guys think will happen to raki, will isley turn him into a yoma?

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by vester

what do you guys think will happen to raki, will isley turn him into a yoma?

I don't think so.

TO turn Raki into a Claymore, he would have to know the process the Organization use to turn humans into claymores. I doubt Isley or anyone outside the organization knows the process. It is the same reason why Riful was torturing Claymores to turn them into Awakens but not making Claymores herself and then turn them into Awakens.

[Defiled one]

If Riful knew how to do it, she would have been hunting villages for a while. In search for the little ones...Literaly.

She can get towards the children quite easily if you look closely.

Spoiler for Riful is a bad woman:

She may appear young but she is very old, maybe centuries.

[HinaThePrince]

Mm, just read volume 12. Raphaela's flashback felt really rushed. And I don't get what Rubel was talking about. "Teresa is dead"? What? o_O;

Also, Rachel and Audrey have the awesomest battle strategy ever. Incredible, how Claymore has so many battles and each one of them brings in something new and interesting. <3~

And yeah, I stand corrected on the lights thing~ Sorry~

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by HinaThePrince

Mm, just read volume 12. Raphaela's flashback felt really rushed. And I don't get what Rubel was talking about. "Teresa is dead"? What? o_O;

Spoiler:

The Org re-recurited Rafaella after Teresa die, Illena disappear, 3-5 also die and priscilla Awaken. It also means that Rafaella belong to a earlier generation Claymores. Maybe 50 years earlier then the current timeline.

[HinaThePrince]

Ohh. Didn't catch the time skip. XD Thanks~!

[Seska]

Spoiler:

Jip, Rafaella's "arc" is in the time, where Teresa was still a "newbie" Claymore, and Clare not born...also more in the past, then Teresa's Arc in the anime, now.

[Defiled one]

There is something i don´t get it.

Spoiler for 1:

They all seem strong, I mean single digit strong. But the digit thing bothers me because if it isn`t about age, How do Claymores are given their ranks? An how Clare got herself so strong for a rank 47, she almost awakened 2 times giving her again two boosts and her strenght is becoming like Theresa, they are all becoming like Theresa...They aren`t using Youma energy at all. Even when they went to Riful they were more worried about knowing who they were going to save. What did they exactly trained there? If all of them went together they could take, with ease, Riful but that`s another matter. I often wondered if The Order wouldn`t be willing to hunt them down and brainwash them.

[teresa]

the manga is better than anime

[ickem]

Originally Posted by lousy

Spoiler for response:

if im not wrong/remembered right, dint they trick everyone by eating like half a yoma-energy suppressant or something. making them seem dead?
and Of course they would be suppressing their energy to hide and escape death. i mean. 6 people cant survive against er, 21 awakened(was i right? 27 minus 6 or 7 that were killed(the 5 + ligardo). so they suppressed their energy, got knocked unconscious, and so they 'died'.
that is if i remember the spoilers that i read right.

@DefiledOne: we cant just treat awakened beings as big enemies and like DIEDIEDIE CLAYMORES. look at riful, her attitude towards clare and galatea obviously shows that she isnt like Hatred towards claymore YAY that they died or something.
Especially so for Priscilla, who has a childlike behavior now, and she lost her memory. she probably felt sad that lives were being lost. remember that she was very idealistic before she awakened. which is why she would cry.

(anyway, is this in the right thread, this thread is for the manga jap version so, i guess its ok to mention non-translated stuff?)

Spoiler for claris stuff.:

As for claris having the same eye color(or isit hair color cant remember), could it be that its because claris was created the same way as clare? i mean, like with way less yoma blood?
I mean she is rather weak too. and we know that the name cant just be a coincidence.

Spoiler for more about claris' team:

Also, whats the reason for claris' team to be sent. I mean, they went there to kill awakened beings. and as far as we know, the org doesnt send teams to kill awakened beings unless theres a request{oops sorry just reread the chapter, now the org does actively want to kill awakened that they received information}. And as we know from claris, there utterly no trace of life left in pieta. if so, where did the request{/information} come from, was there even a request?
more likely that either: they were sent on a suicide mission again(which isnt very likely since hte org cant be sure there are awakened beings there).
or they were sent as lookout,patrol. to check for any awakened beings or even: to check for remaining claymores.

If so, with their mysterious survival after getting owned by an awakened, they org prob knows that there are survivals already(even though they arent showing it).

The reason for their being sent was actually addressed in the chapter. After what happened 7 years ago, the organization decided to hunt down the awakened.

Originally Posted by Seska

Spoiler:

Jip, Rafaella's "arc" is in the time, where Teresa was still a "newbie" Claymore, and Clare not born...also more in the past, then Teresa's Arc in the anime, now.

And Rafaela was VERY impressed with trainee Teresa, that's why Rubel's line about Teresa being dead had such significance.

Originally Posted by Defiled one

There is something i don´t get it.

Spoiler for 1:

They all seem strong, I mean single digit strong. But the digit thing bothers me because if it isn`t about age, How do Claymores are given their ranks? An how Clare got herself so strong for a rank 47, she almost awakened 2 times giving her again two boosts and her strenght is becoming like Theresa, they are all becoming like Theresa...They aren`t using Youma energy at all. Even when they went to Riful they were more worried about knowing who they were going to save. What did they exactly trained there? If all of them went together they could take, with ease, Riful but that`s another matter. I often wondered if The Order wouldn`t be willing to hunt them down and brainwash them.

I'm no so sure that anyone other than Clare is becoming like Teresa. They only got better at what is happening by reading the youki flow. Clare and Teresa are able to read the future by see the person's intention in the movement of the youki before the person even begins to act.

Also if I remember right, since they have partially awakened, they aren't as limited in how powerful they can get anymore. Not too sure about this and don't feel like going back to check so take it I might have misremembered.

[vester]

Originally Posted by Defiled one

There is something i don´t get it.

Spoiler for 1:

They all seem strong, I mean single digit strong. But the digit thing bothers me because if it isn`t about age, How do Claymores are given their ranks? An how Clare got herself so strong for a rank 47, she almost awakened 2 times giving her again two boosts and her strenght is becoming like Theresa, they are all becoming like Theresa...They aren`t using Youma energy at all. Even when they went to Riful they were more worried about knowing who they were going to save. What did they exactly trained there? If all of them went together they could take, with ease, Riful but that`s another matter. I often wondered if The Order wouldn`t be willing to hunt them down and brainwash them.

i think they become stronger and stonger the more they fight and train

[Crystal_Method]

Originally Posted by Defiled one

There is something i don´t get it.

Spoiler for 1::

They all seem strong, I mean single digit strong. But the digit thing bothers me because if it isn`t about age, How do Claymores are given their ranks? An how Clare got herself so strong for a rank 47, she almost awakened 2 times giving her again two boosts and her strenght is becoming like Theresa, they are all becoming like Theresa...They aren`t using Youma energy at all. Even when they went to Riful they were more worried about knowing who they were going to save. What did they exactly trained there? If all of them went together they could take, with ease, Riful but that`s another matter. I often wondered if The Order wouldn`t be willing to hunt them down and brainwash them.

I believe claymores are given rank by their efficiency and capability to kill youma. Good example is:

Spoiler for volume 11:

the twins are not only capable of killing a lot of youma, but they are also capable of killing a lot of awakened ones. Not to mention the fact that their powers matches that of an abyssal one, giving them, or rather Alicia rank 1.

The training that they get I bet is just to gain the ability to control their youma energy and use it to their own advantage. Actually becoming stronger solely is up to how they utilize their abilities to kill youma. From that, I'm guessing claymores get their own techniques to kill youma in the most efficient way (not the coolest way).

I don't think any of them are becoming like Teresa including Clare. It's more like they are becoming more powerful than her. Kind of shows how the newest generation of claymores are much stornger than the former. I'm not saying Teresa wasn't strong, it's just she was only strong in her time. And the youma energy manipulation thing has become popular now, there's at least 3 claymores that use it in different ways.

[ickem]

Originally Posted by Crystal_Method

I believe claymores are given rank by their efficiency and capability to kill youma. Good example is:

Spoiler for volume 11:

the twins are not only capable of killing a lot of youma, but they are also capable of killing a lot of awakened ones. Not to mention the fact that their powers matches that of an abyssal one, giving them, or rather Alicia rank 1.

The training that they get I bet is just to gain the ability to control their youma energy and use it to their own advantage. Actually becoming stronger solely is up to how they utilize their abilities to kill youma. From that, I'm guessing claymores get their own techniques to kill youma in the most efficient way (not the coolest way).

I don't think any of them are becoming like Teresa including Clare. It's more like they are becoming more powerful than her. Kind of shows how the newest generation of claymores are much stornger than the former. I'm not saying Teresa wasn't strong, it's just she was only strong in her time. And the youma energy manipulation thing has become popular now, there's at least 3 claymores that use it in different ways.

I'll have to disagree with you about the new generation being stronger than Teresa. I think Elene is a good gauge of how powerful Teresa was compared to the later generations. She completely owned Ophelia with absolutely no trouble. She then gave Clare her arm and Clare became exponentially stronger even though Clare's kousoku ken with the arm was still only half as fast and half as powerful Elene's. She became powerful enough to take out an awakened Ophelia and was able to hold Daf off long enough for Jean to get her hit in. Clare has, of course, gotten quite a bit stronger since suppressing her youki, but it's questionable if she's gotten much stronger than Elene was with two arms. Now let's compare Teresa to Elene. Not much to say except that she was totally outmatched. So much so that she admitted to knowing that, had Priscilla not been with them, they would never have had a chance of completing their mission. With Priscilla, she felt that they had a very good chance of beating Teresa on the first try, but she was wrong. She only realized how much more powerful Teresa was after they had gotten wasted by her without Teresa having to release any youki. This was despite the fact that she couldn't read Priscilla so was forced to fight "normally." Teresa was also able to fight off a Priscilla that had released 70-80% of her power by only releasing enough to change the color of her eyes. I'm thinking that the only one that will become stronger than Teresa without fully awakening is Clare.

As for the new generation being able to do what Teresa does, I don't think that anyone other than Clare can do what Teresa did. She was able to see even the most minute flow of youki within the body which allowed her to basically read the future. She was actually able to sense Rafaela because she let a little bit of it slip out in the forest. Galatea is able to match her own youki with her opponents and can alter the movement of her opponents youki even if they are stronger than she is, but not if they use all their concentration to move the way they want to. So far we've seen Tabatha only being able to read youki from a distance in a way that is similar to what Galatea does.

[Negativedark]

Here's something I noticed about the Claymore ranking system. Noel and Sopia, when we first see them are bickering and almost start to fight, over who number 3 is and who number 4 is. When Priscilla shows up, one of them got ready to fight her for the rank. So it seems that Claymores can fight to determine who gets what rank.

[Jinx626]

Spoiler for vol 12:

What i don't understand is how the group survived after being knocked unconscious and playing "dead"? From my understanding from translations they eat the pill, then get knocked out somehow (i assume by fighting awaken beings in their last stand scene in volume 11), then effects of the pill will kick in thus resulting in their yoma energy to be non-existent thus considered "dead"when in reality they are unconscious.

However, they are surrounded by awaken beings while in this "unconscious/dead state" and i am pretty sure that some of them will probably want to eat some guts even if its a not so tasty claymore. As evident from other chapters awaken beings do eat. Of course one could discount my ramblings and say they just got lucky and them awaken beings were full from eating their other comrades or just didn't want to to eat them. Or i am missing something very simple?

[cors8]

Originally Posted by Jinx626

Spoiler for vol 12:

What i don't understand is how the group survived after being knocked unconscious and playing "dead"? From my understanding from translations they eat the pill, then get knocked out somehow (i assume by fighting awaken beings), then effects of the pill will kick in. However, they are surrounded by awaken beings and i am pretty sure that some of them will probably want to eat some guts even if its a not so tasty claymore. As evident from other chapters awaken beings do eat.

Well Claymore's have yoma flesh in them and awakened beings don't like the taste of it so....