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Hell, I had people outright wonder at Nanoha's maturity in the series when I showed it to them, and the movie cuts out any and all explanation to that effect. Although, I admit, the movie brings enough flash and pizzazz and pushes the viewer along rapidly enough that most people don't question it. It just kills me that we could have cut at least some of the Fate/Precia/Linith backstory, at least 5 minutes worth, to have Nanoha reflect a bit on her first encounter with Arisa and Suzuka. Hell, Linith should have been cut altogether. It was nice seeing her, but she showed no purpose, and her disappearance between flashback and current events is never explained, either. So, thus my concern for the A's movie. Already, we knew that there was precious little they could cut in A's, unlike S1, and fit it into a 2 hour movie. And one has to be careful about which threads one pulls out, as they could find the entire tapestry falling apart. |
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2011-12-01, 19:38 | Link #282 |
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I also resented the cut on the feud of Nanoha and Arisa, like Kaijo said it helps to flesh Nanoha personality a bit more and understand the motivations of her character better. The MOVIE 1st did only an "ok" job with that but the MOVIE 1st manga compensates that. Not only the feud between Arisa and Nanoha was more fleshed out, we also get to see the after math and also the event makes Nanoha to continue her reflection right to the origins of her motivation to become stronger which are strongly related to her family problems of the past.
I really hope to see a MOVIE 2nd A's manga that will tells another alternate story, the manga format will do wonders in fleshing out the cast more. ....if that's the case, i wonder if we could get to see Suzuki knocking Fate out of the sky with a volley-ball again xD!
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2011-12-01, 19:49 | Link #283 | |
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As for the 1st movie...What did you want? For them to replicate the original season from beginning to end? Fate was not the only one who got focus because of the back story. While I don't think the movie was intended to be Precia centric like Raiser believes, I do think she got the most screen time out of those flashbacks. Not to mention Linith as well. Some characters got less screen time because of it, but not all of that focus was shifted to a single character. And call it what you will, but I think it was more important than going deeper into Nanoha's back story. If Tsuzuki wanted new content for the movie, I think that was one of the better choices.
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2011-12-01, 19:54 | Link #284 |
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Still, seeing Nanoha's family backstory should be a very powerfull moment in the movie. His father burned on a hospital bed with Nanoha lamenting her impotence over her family's suffering looking at her small hands left me a powerfull feeling, far stronger than Precia's cruel moments against Fate.
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2011-12-01, 19:58 | Link #285 |
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Well that has nothing to do with flashbacks, and it was part of the original series. And most of it was cut from the movie to begin with...
I don't remember exactly, but wasn't that hospital scene like a still shot in the series? Blame Tsuzuki for that because it could have easily been fit into the movie without sacrificing anything at all. Also, Nanoha's back story wouldn't even focus on Nanoha because it would be all about her family. It would show why she is insecure at times, but that was mostly brought on by being alone most of the time. If you want flashbacks of the Takamachi family, that would better fit into an Ova.
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2011-12-01, 20:12 | Link #287 | |
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That addition in her backstory was a pretty brilliant move in my opinion since help to create solid roots for Nanoha's background and who she is now.
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2011-12-01, 20:20 | Link #288 | |
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I just can't picture it in my mind, how a Nanoha flashback with a similar length to Precia/Linith/Fate would work. It seems like something that could be easily tread upon within the span of a few minutes. But if that's all it would take, then it could have easily fit into the movie. Another case of Tsuzuki's bad directing. There were a lot of scenes in the movie that were scrapped which I really liked. To the point where I would have rather had them over the Linith/Fate/Precia back story, but for the sake of being different, I fail to see how this was a bad decision. First season viewers already know Nanoha's reasons, they hardly knew anything about Fate's. Reverse the roles...and profit!
And let's not forget that a lot of people complained about the first four episodes of the first season...So it's not a surprise that Tsuzuki would scrap those first in order to make room for everything else. And it was the least popular series in terms of sales, so opting for something different was not a bad idea. He just didn't execute it perfectly, but it's not like Tsuzuki is a great director or anything. Quote:
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2011-12-01, 20:48 | Link #289 |
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The more I think about it, my second biggest concern right now, just below the prospect of Hayate and the Wolkenritter getting reduced screentime, is how the absence of the Lieze twins will affect the story. I mean, A's greatly emits a cringeworthy "we could have avoided all of this!!!" vibe, but some of them could could be blamed to Graham and his familiars muddling things. Without them, I'm afraid my irritation on how the plot forces the confrontations by failure in communication will grow beyond tolerable levels.
Btw, I agree with Kaijo on Fate's lotus eater dream in that it should be cut, especially since she already got many focus on her personal life back at Movie 1st. If Tsuzuki leaves this part untouched or cut while the others got reduced screen time, well...might as well rename it Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Fate for future installments.
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2011-12-01, 20:48 | Link #290 | |
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Though I also think the Wolkenritter and Hayate will get some more screentime. Since Fate had some flashback scenes to flesh out her past, it might be possible that the Wolkenrittter receive some as well. It's also likely that Yuuno will still teleport Fate in, but he won't get any actual fighting scenes, which still makes sense. I'm also interested to see how they will handle the transition from fighting the book of darkness to completing it to working together against the defense program without the Lieze twins, if my translation is correct. (Text: 劇場版の大きな変更点はグレアム提督とその使い魔の双子が出てこない事。) This might allow them to give more character development to Hayate, Nanoha, and Fate in this case. (Just a conjecture) And please, don't take my rough translation as any sort of absolute truth or anything, I'm not confident enough in my ability to defend what I translate if it actually does turn out to be incorrect. |
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2011-12-01, 21:10 | Link #292 | |
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- nanoha and Fate are very good friends. How this happens again will be a bit different from the TV version. - The story will begin after the end of the trial from 1st's Precia Testarossa Incident. Makes it sounds as if Nanoha and Fate have already reunited at the start of the A's movie. So I'm not sure how the Yuuno teleport scene will work, or how Fate randomly appears to save Nanoha if Fate is already there with her. I think it has to happen since it was specificially brought up during the bridge scene, similarly to the series.
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But you have to understand why Fate's role continues to grow: pandering. I don't blame the creators for giving the fanatics more of what they crave, but I honestly feel that, when that begins to overshadow and take away from other characters (Yuuno, Arf, Arisa, Suzuka, Chrono, etc.), then it is to the detriment of the series. Even when it takes away from the main title character herself! Quote:
And considering that so much of S1 *could* be cut, it lent itself better to a movie format, and for the expansion of Fate's backstory; in that case, I'll agree that it was a decent move. I just didn't expect it to come at the expense of Nanoha and her backstory as it relates to Arisa, Suzuka, and her family. I would have cut the Linith parts in order to make the time for Nanoha's backstory. Hence, the reason for the legitimate fears about A's. If Tsuzuki can cut that kind of important stuff in the first move,. which should have been a no-brainer to leave in... then what chance does the A's movie have? It has far less that it can cut and still remain a solid narrative. Everything is potentially on the chopping block. Sure, call me a negative Nancy that's poo-pooing something before it's even come out, but... I had my hopes up for the first movie, too. And now I have that "fool me once" feeling. |
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-No Lieze twins -How Nanoha and Fate reuinte will be different -Reinforce will appear often and earlier then in the original. etc.etc.etc...
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So yes, people are worried. Because there is plenty of precedent. |
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Baseless assumptions since you can't read Tsuzuki's mind. Series are planned out months before they're actually animated, so those scenes were already decided at the start of each season. And I don't believe Fate's true popularity came until A's to begin with.
Just because something doesn't have a direct relation to the plot, that doesn't mean it doesn't belong. I'm not sure a series exists that doesn't go off on a tangent at least occasionally. At least with movie 1st, things were altered to differ from the original, but anything else is nothing more than an assumption. Yeah, pretty sure I've had enough fun for now.
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You would be amazed how often things are changed last minute, even in animation.
But really, there are only two reasons to add scenes that serve little to no purpose for the general story. 1. The character in question is the director's favorite. 2. The character in question is a fan favorite. Pick your poison. |
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