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View Poll Results: Macross Frontier: Sayonara no Tsubasa Movie Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 40 | 42.11% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 33 | 34.74% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 12 | 12.63% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 5 | 5.26% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 3 | 3.16% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 2 | 2.11% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2013-03-24, 00:37 | Link #3901 |
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I'd pick the movie scripts for sure. The biggest problem with the TV show was that the plot was overly bloated with extraneous bits that don't add anything to the show. A leaner script can neatly avoid that - it'd be great if they could slip in a bunch of wacky adventures to fill out the runtime.
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2013-03-24, 00:50 | Link #3902 | |
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On your last question, I'd turn the movies' plot on a tv series anytime of the day. The characterization of everyone was, for me, more enjoyable (even on the short time of the movies) and more complete. Some people may say that they took a bit of the "realistic" flaws out of the characters, but for me the presence of those in the TV series only contributed to non-sensical developments that were hard to relate to or even appropriately understand (which, funnily enough, it's the perfect recipe/melting pot/sty for a good ol' ship war!) at any level. It derailed the experience (for me at least) so yeah, definitely the movie script! |
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2013-03-24, 03:06 | Link #3903 |
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The problem is that Kawamori has a real hard-on for not resolving romances in a traditional way, at least from what I've seen. So for some reason the two romance partners will not be together in the end, be it by just ending the series ( Macross TV ), abduction to the other end of the galaxy ( Macross movie ), discorporation ( Aquarion 1 ), stupidity ( Escaflowne ) and whatever the retarded ending to the second Aquarion series was, I already forgot. Oh, wait, there the two milquetoast mains were together, but the much more interesting female character was left alone. Okay, I'll give him that.
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2013-03-24, 05:14 | Link #3904 | |
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As for the series, there is a reason they changed so much for the movies so that the story would work. I like them both, with their flaws, so I wouldn't prefer one over the other if it means switching the format. What the movies have going for them and what I would change about the series is the bond between the 2 girls. There is too much focus on their feelings for Alto, and while their bond is there, it doesn't work nearly as good as in the movies. I felt that this was especially bad by episode 25. The other thing I liked was how Ranka already knew Alto and didn't have that insecurity about her, that was there even at the very end of episode 25 when she challenged Sheryl. She no longer suffers from this or wanting to impress Alto clouding her sence of judgement and comes off as more independent, responsible and overall cheerfull. She doesn't act awkward when Sheryl is around anymore, the best example being her reaction to Sheryl's 'Alto is my slave' at the beginning of movie 2 in contrast to episode 8. She isn't as easily hurt and doesn't mope around. I don't think the characters are less realistic, it's more how they changed events around and how they react to them.
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2013-03-24, 11:28 | Link #3905 | |
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Tell you what, I bet if he came out with an OVA or another movie, we would still, at some level, be unhappy due to the fact the creator's way of finishing stories is either side of the scale or the opposite extreme of that side. By reading your thoughts on his other series (which I haven't really seen), that tells me that if (almost) anyone watches his works they can already expect a Kawamori' ending, since there's and established pattern. But, of the series I have seen, I can observe a similar pattern (that is, either bittersweet ending or non-sensical just-as-inconclusive "happy" ending) I'd be willing to bet those are the kind of endings Japanese viewers expect as per part of their culture (maybe samurais and heroes killing themselves in legendary prose are a part of their collective conscience?), and either they cannot come up with an "out of the norm" conclusion or they would just dislike that. All this means if we got another OVA or movie, it would be the exact same thing, and we would think the same thing at the end (damn us, westernized bunch of children!) due to a clear difference of values...I guess we should be thankful at least is a hopeful ending, since that's the closest to happy we'll get without significantly derailing the conclusion! ...oh, there's also the option in the next Macross (set 72313124029374304942392592952572352359235564597463 947640957693475346957345609347564395736509374 years in the future, we hear a sentence regarding what happened to Alto/Sheryl/Ranka ) Last edited by akron88; 2013-03-24 at 14:03. |
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2013-03-25, 05:00 | Link #3906 | |
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I posted this at BakaBT too but I felt a need to also post the message here.
I hope it helps those of you who had unspoken questions about this. Quote:
The second movie has grain entirely throughout this scene. Not just any grain, but Gaussian grain (exceptionally heavy & nearly impossible to remove without damaging footage). People continuously asked if it was an encode problem for the raw or fansub releases; but it isn't. The official Blu-Ray & the Hybrid Pack alike have the same issue. You could try to remove the grain but it would erase important pieces of the footage to do so. It is best to leave as is. So every encoder has done the right thing. I found out about this while watching the movie on my computer & also encoding it onto my computer. The source itself has the issue. I am to think this is an error on the production's part & not a release error. Anyone who knows if this was in the theatrical version, let me know. Naturally, newer anime doesn't have excessive grain like this & there is no logical reason for its appearance. Anyway, thought I'd drop by and tell those who do not own the Blu-Ray or Hybrid Pack. Finally, this is not an encode error. The official source also contains the grain. There is no way to be rid of it, I'm afraid.
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2013-04-08, 17:46 | Link #3909 |
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This movies series was just simply GLORIOUS. Had mental orgasms watching the concerts and every time the music starts, the production value was through the roof. Got to say this was definitely more impressive than the T.V. series. SherylxAlto YES WE CAN!
Animation was simply breathlessly beautiful
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2013-04-10, 23:33 | Link #3913 |
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And as the person who translated all those interviews and comments, here's what I know:
Kawamori has never said that Alto came back, in any interview thus far. All he has said is that it's up to fans to imagine the future of the characters for themselves.
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2013-04-11, 02:51 | Link #3916 | |
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Wait, what? So, the reports that he said he was surprised that fans were unsure what happened to Alto was fake? The hell?
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2013-04-11, 03:16 | Link #3917 | |
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In that interview, article or whatever you want to call it the most he did was to give a "hint" pointing at the scene in the credits and saying "I think you can imagine the rest".
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2013-04-11, 03:32 | Link #3918 | |
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Yeah, I just went hunting for karice's translation in this thread ( 20 pages of searching ) and I've found the relevant section:
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2013-04-11, 04:49 | Link #3920 |
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The hints are about Alto surviving and Sheryl waking up. NOT about Alto coming back. (edit: the comments in context)
I'm happy with each viewer forming their own interpretation of what happens, and if people interpret Kawamori's comments to mean that Alto (probably) came back. But please don't imply that Kawamori outright SAID or even indicated that he definitely came back. Because that's simply not true. "Said" and "definitely" being the operative words.
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