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Perfect 10 | 48 | 36.36% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 46 | 34.85% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 28 | 21.21% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 6 | 4.55% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 2 | 1.52% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 0.76% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 1 | 0.76% | |
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2011-01-28, 11:07 | Link #102 | |
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Consider that Madoka shows great guilt, in this episode, over choosing to not be a magical girl. You can only feel guilt when you really consider an alternate course of action (i.e. "I should have done this instead", or "I shouldn't be making the decision that I'm making right now"). So, as scared as Madoka is of choosing to be a magical girl, it's not a choice that she has completely ruled out. In other words, she's still weighing the pros and cons of being a magical girl. In that state of mind, she really ought to be wondering if she could wish Mami back from the dead.
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2011-01-28, 11:13 | Link #104 |
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Well if Homura could have in theory gotten Kyubey to manipulate time for Madoka's sake, then raising the dead isn't out of the question.
Which again brings me back to how the theory of Kyubey's power or the ultimate goal of the entire cycle reeks very much of F/SN Holy Grail.
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2011-01-28, 11:18 | Link #106 | |
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2011-01-28, 11:21 | Link #107 | |
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Homura's wistfulness about Madoka seems consistent with a close friend, but not with... herself.
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2011-01-28, 11:26 | Link #108 | |
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"Are you sure that the Mami you brought back is 100% vanilla Mami?" |
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2011-01-28, 11:30 | Link #109 | |
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2011-01-28, 11:32 | Link #110 | |
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Seriously though I wouldn't be surprised of the source of their wishes is really some yet unknown malevolent force and the possibility that Homura might even know something about this.
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2011-01-28, 11:33 | Link #111 |
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The only two wishes that we've actually seen have been souped-up healing magic, so it's hard to actually tell how powerful the wishing system is. I assume you can't ask for more wishes or for omnipotence.
The thing to remember is that the wish-granter probably isn't on our side. I'd imagine that something like wishing away all the witches would go against Kyubey's self-interests, so even if he had the power to fulfill that wish, he probably wouldn't grant it (although he might trick the girl into thinking he has?) Essentially, there are many wishes you could make that would let you avoid paying the price associated with being a magical girl or destroy the system Kyubey has put in place. I'm sure that you could never get Kyubey to fulfill any of these wishes honestly and without any catches. Part of the question is how much power Kyubey has, where it comes from, and why he wants to grant wishes and create magical girls, none of which we know for certain yet.
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2011-01-28, 12:00 | Link #113 |
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This episode was awesome, yet at the same time creepy.
In the next episode, I'm guessing Kyouko (voiced by Ai Nonaka!!) will demand a fight with Sayaka. Sayaka will accept even though she's just a rookie (she said to Madoka that she's quite good even though she's a rookie, if I'm not mistaken) and lose. Finally, I was really creeped out when Sayaka saw Kyubey out the window. It's like.. Kyubey's expecting it. |
2011-01-28, 12:10 | Link #114 | |
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The point is, we SHOULD see her thinking about it. It's a perfectly logical and valid point to consider. We don't know the limitations of the wishing system, and until we do, it's the big elephant in the room that characters in the show are avoiding. Let me be clear, that I have no problems with Madoka going, "I could wish Mami back... but.. I'll be a magical girl and I can't... I'm so sorry Mami, I'm too scared!" I have no problems with Kyube going, "There are some things you can't wish for. Bringing back the dead is one of them" or "You can't wish away all witches forever; it's not within my power." Even Genie from Aladdin had specific rules. The point is, until we know those rules or see the characters consider them, it will forever loom overhead as a big point the writers are avoiding answering. And that's bad writing, unless he does plan to solve everything at the end with a wish or two. Also, other than that, I think the series is fairly good. It's just that wish systems in stories have huge potential to make the characters stupid in order for the plot to work *coughcoughNEVERENDINGSTORY2AND3coughcough*. I'd rather not see that happen here. |
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2011-01-28, 12:15 | Link #115 |
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But the very reason she feels guilt is likely because she can't bring herself to become a MG for Mami's sake. I don't believe this needs to be said out loud, i am sure she was thinking about, but in the end is too scared to take that option, hence the guilt. It's not like she has much else to feel guilty for - she feels guilty for not being up to the task when she could potentially bring her friend back. She might even be scared of asking about it, because an actual confirmation that revival is an option would torment her even more - it's one thing to suspect (and it's bad enough on her), it's another to have it confirmed by Kyubey - she still wouldn't be able to do it, but would feel even more crushed by guilt. It's a very human reaction, and i am impressed the show took it indeed.
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2011-01-28, 12:20 | Link #116 |
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I agree entirely with Kaijo's last post.
That precisely sums up my take on the particular topic of discussion, as well as Madoka as a whole. Really, it's mostly just a nitpick for me. It doesn't significantly erode my enjoyment for this anime, or my assessment of it. At least not yet. At some point, though, this wish system really needs to be tested, or questioned. It'll be disappointing if nobody does this, imo.
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2011-01-28, 12:33 | Link #117 |
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"You're too kind. Don't forget. That kindness may yet bring a greater tragedy."
Love this line. It makes me think Homura is not just protection Madoka. I think she knows that if she makes a contract with Kyubey, there'll be more consequences that just Madoka meeting a gruesome dead. At this point I almost convinced that Madoka making a contract, regardless of what she may wish for, will not save anyone, but rather bring the world to hell.... Really looking forward to next episode!!!
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2011-01-28, 13:32 | Link #119 | |
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If you really need to be made aware of the problems with wish systems, I suggest you watch the Neverending Story 2 and 3. Better yet, watch the Nostalgia Critic's review of those two movies. If you can end your series on a happy note with a wish that was available from day 1, it's bad writing, plain and simple. It means you need to make your characters dumb as dirt in order for the plot to work. |
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2011-01-28, 13:49 | Link #120 | |
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Incidentally, the very reason she didn't ask Kyubey if it is possible to bring Mami back to life is that she's afraid of the answer. She would feel even more terrible if she knew for sure she could wish her back, but was too scared to do so. By remaining in the dark, she can try to convince herself there is nothing she can do, and thus alleviate her guilt a little.
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